Help needed with Subway Problems

[bubba]

I'm setting up A1200 Tower with the following config:

Mediator SX with Voodoo3 and Ethernet
1D3 Mother board, 3.1 ROMs
Blizzard 1230 IV/50mhz, SCSI Kit
Subway USB via clockport

When I connect the subway, the machine does not boot.  I'm pretty sure the cables are connected properly.  I don't have the mediator drivers installed for the cards, but pciinfo  finds all the cards on the PCI bus, so I'm assuming the mediator is OK.

My MB has a bad external floppy port.  Is it possible that the clockport is also damaged?  Are there any diagnostic apps I can use to check the clockport?

Thanks,
Bubba

[VooDoo]

hmm..strange..I dont know for any sw what can test clocport..And yes your clocport can be damaged..

I have the same card and if you corect connect cabel on Subway your Amiga need to boot..

The best option is contact Michael Boehmer from E3B...

[wurzel]

bubba wrote:

When I connect the subway, the machine does not boot.  I'm pretty sure the cables are connected properly.  

You must make sure the cables are correctly fitted and the adapter is fitted correctly to the clockport. If you don't, at best, it won't boot, at worst, you can damage something.

Check your Subway manual on how to fit it correctly.

[rkauer]

 This is a well known problem when mixing products from **bo* with IC ones.

 I don't know if is allowed to talk about that in here, but here it goes:

 **bo* drivers FREEZES the Amiga if any IC product is detected!

 Simply like that, unfortunately.

[mboehmer_e3b]

 This is a well known problem when mixing products from **bo* with IC ones.

There was an announcement of Elbox press speaker including such a threat quite some time ago, but I have never ever received any message from one of my customers which indicated that these illegal software blocks would have been enabled. And we have quite some people out there which use both products.

I would not call this "well known". For me it is still just a barking dog, not a smoking gun.

Do you have any indications for such a behaviour? Did you encounter such problems yourself?
Anyone else out there having troubles running hardware of Elbox and E3B together in one system?

BTW, the SUBWAY is not from individual computers, but from E3B. Even if Jens is offering them, this nice little USB controller comes from E3B :-)

@Bubba: there is a test program for the clockport - please contact me by mail for getting it. You will have to boot your machine at least into a shell for using it.

Michael

[BinoX]

rkauer wrote:
 **bo* drivers FREEZES the Amiga if any IC product is detected!

Funny you should say that... I was wondering why my mediator ZIV never worked properly when Iwas booting from a buddha card but worked fine when using a SCSI drive on the Blizzard... That WOULD explain it...

[voxel]

**bo* drivers FREEZES the Amiga if any E3B product is detected!

That's what is called bad practices, or trying to harm competitors in a microshaft way ;-)

I have NO (and will never have) **bo* things in my (numerous) Amigas and all are working fine :-)

Just forget about **bo* "products" and let them die in the cold.

[stopthegop]

I have products from both.  I have successfully integrated the Delfina Flipper in with my Mediator system as well as in my A1200, which has an Elbox IDE splitter in it.  The Subway, unfortunately, is a different story.  I have not been able to get it to work at all, in either machine.  I've tried clockports on an X-surf, BuddhaIDE and a Kickflash, and the A1200 MB.  Frankly, its been very frustrating and I've pretty much given up.  I'll either try to get the OpenUSB PCI card going again or wait until e3b releases their new ZIII USB card.  btw, the situation described in the original post about the A1200 not booting with the subway attached?  Same exact problem I had.  

[mboehmer_e3b]

The Subway, unfortunately, is a different story.  I have not been able to get it to work at all, in either machine.  I've tried clockports on an X-surf, BuddhaIDE and a Kickflash, and the A1200 MB.  Frankly, its been very frustrating and I've pretty much given up.

Why didn't you contact me on this issue? We are offering support, no matter if first hand or second hand hardware is involved.

If we don't know you've got a problem we can't help you.

All clockports you mentioned (A1200 MB, X-surf, BuddhaIDE and Kickflash) are known to work perfectly with the SUBWAY, and have been successfully tested here. Moreover, quite some people use a similar setup without any problem.

Are you sure that you did connect the SUBWAY in the correct orientation? There are explicit manuals for both Xsurf and Buddha cards on our web site. If turned by 180 degree the SUBWAY will shortcircuit some system signals which could lead to the problem you described (anyhow, you will notice the shortcircuit very soon... that's why we provide a manual with the card, some pictures on how to connect everything the right way and support by email, in case something is left unclear.

Please contact me by PM (mboehmere3b.de) so we can get your SUBWAY running.

Michael