Contaced a Factory in China about producing a run of fully populated Mini-migs

[terminator4]

Vlabguy1 wrote:
Why would you contact China..everything they make is CRAP!!

Why not the U.S.??  

Glad to see i'm not the only one that feels this way.  Pick Taiwan, at least they are not communist rogue nation, and some of their stuff is good quality.  Best make it in USA at least you'll be sure its meeting quality controls (whatever you want them to be).

[terminator4]

White collar jobs are disappearing too you know.  Even Toy Product Managers, Finance folks...:roll:  

Crom00 wrote:

Vlabguy1 wrote:
Why would you contact China..everything they make is CRAP!!

Why not the U.S.??  

Actually that isn't true, having been there and worked with crews myself. It's economics, the Chinese undercut US manufacturers by steep margins, have a extensive highly skilled low cost labor force, and are eager to please.

If you're manufacturing its a win win situation, if you're an out of work stateside engineer, Creative Service person, or factory worker with a family to feed, its a lousy situation if you've lost a job to outsourcing.

 

[terminator4]

Electronics - made in mexico stuff, or other its not hard to find (go to circuit city).
Computers - lots of madein china brands but you can still buy components from malaysia and other countries.

shoggoth wrote:

Vlabguy1 wrote:
Why would you contact China..everything they make is CRAP!!
Why not the U.S.??  

Ah. I take it you're from the US and that you're not in the electronics business.

You're excused, you don't know better. That's ok.

-- Peter

[koaftder]

terminator4 wrote:
I can't wait to see this forum filled with postings about "dead" minimigs - made in china and people pleading for help.   High *cough* quality from china.  frankly you'd be better off to make it in your home country, close to a manufacturer who you can visit and see to ensure all is done right (quality control).   Don't people hear about the toy recalls?  Think about it next time you decide to do business with china...
what you pay for is what you get...  If it was me, I'd make this either in Canada, USA, Japan/Korea/taiwan or some european country (depending on where you're located - giving you close access to manufacturer).

oh and once you make 50000, don't forget you may see another 50000 duplicates offered at quarter of price.  (see China does not see copyrights/trademarks too well, so protect your intellectual property). :-D

This is a load of crap. Chinese manufacturers can make just about anything at any quality you are willing to pay for.

[AJCopland]

@terminator4

Wow, what a vitriolic set of posts. For a reference I'm from the UK and I'd actually say that the common perception is that most things manufactured in the USA is a piece of c**p. Then again many also think that things made in France are a piece of c**p, or Italy, or Spain... well you get the idea. It's just a manifestation of the Not-Invented-Here mentality and whilst it's sad to see the places around you losing jobs it's also true that we could be doing more to keep them rather than just whinging that it's not fair!

In fact most of goods made in China are of a pretty high standard. Certainly as good as anywhere else in the world.

You want yours made in America or Taiwan. Then go to the lengths that Crom00 is going too with his production run. He's sourcing factories, prices, components and forking out for initial test MiniMigs.

As MiniMig is OPEN SOURCE so if someone else wants to make one THEY CAN. There is no copyright there to protect!!!

Andy

[tonyyeb]

AJCopland wrote:
@terminator4

Wow, what a vitriolic set of posts. For a reference I'm from the UK and I'd actually say that the common perception is that most things manufactured in the USA is a piece of c**p. Then again many also think that things made in France are a piece of c**p, or Italy, or Spain... well you get the idea.

In fact most of goods made in China are of a pretty high standard. Certainly as good as anywhere else in the world.

You want yours made in America or Taiwan. Then go to the lengths that Crom00 is going too with his production run. He's sourcing factories, prices, components and forking out for initial test MiniMigs.

As MiniMig is OPEN SOURCE so if someone else wants to make one THEY CAN. There is no copyright there to protect!!!

Andy

Well said!!!

[terminator4]

It's tough to keep jobs if they pay you 10 cents a day in china vs x in westernized world.  anyway i'm not worried as i have a job and unlikely it will be lost overseas.  pretty soon everything will be manufactured in china (they have the # of people to do this too).  Others who post here frequently should worry more, it's exactly a do nothing mentality that will cause harm.

Why I dislike China:
- it's got fixed currency exchange rates (not free floating like other currencies) making it hard to compete against.  
- it's communist, rogue nation that arms & spends every year more on military (in times of peace)
- disrespects human rights and labor rights
- most of the products i bought from china are of low quality.  this includes sadly Amiga One (Taiwan or China?) with many bugs.  Even the DMA issue was due to bad manufacturing I think.
- toy recalls lately (very scary if you have kids).
Just conveying some concerns if minimig is made in china ...

[koaftder]

The US condones torture.
The US spends more on military than the next 10 biggest spending countries *combined*
The US makes dangerous toys and food that kills people
The US makes low quality goods, look at orec vacuum cleaners and Ford passenger cars.
The US is a rogue nation that apparantly thinks it can invade other countries at will.

etc, etc, etc

[tonyyeb]

terminator4 wrote:
It's tough to.... SNIP .... minimig is made in china ...

Give up. If people, like you, have a problem with China (or any other country) they wont buy products made in that country. Period. Stop trying to impose your opinion on others. I'll buy my products from whoever I see fit.

[HenryCase]

terminator4 wrote:
this includes sadly Amiga One (Taiwan or China?) with many bugs.  Even the DMA issue was due to bad manufacturing I think.

You're blaming DMA issues on the people that did the soldering! It couldn't be bad design, oh no, definitely not that.

Look mate, like others have said, if you don't want to buy from China you don't have to.

As for the whole 'taking our jobs' issue, the sad state of affairs (not limited to US, UK suffers from it too) is that job losses are never caused by other countries but rich people in OUR OWN COUNTRIES, but everyone blames the immigrant workers or whatever. The rich are the enemy (when I mean rich, I mean the people who get paid way too much for whatever it is they do) because they treat the rest of us badly and we're so blind to this we blame other poor people for job security issues.

[Crom00]

If someone REALLY knows a factory in the US, Tawian, or wherever that they prefer and know that can handle this kind of work, send me the info. I have no problems swithcing factories if it makes sense.

[Darrin]

Crom00 wrote:
If someone REALLY knows a factory in the US, Tawian, or wherever that they prefer and know that can handle this kind of work, send me the info. I have no problems swithcing factories if it makes sense.

The silence is deafening.   :-D

[little]

(China) got fixed currency exchange rates (not free floating like other currencies) making it hard to compete against.

Here in Mexico we had fixed currency for decades and we never were internationaly competitive like China is nowadays. Bottom line, do not blame it on "fixed currency", the USA is less competitive today than it was yesterday.

(China) is communist

China's political regime still is totalitarian, but their economic system has shifted from communism to capitalism.

disrespects human rights and labor rights

Do you realize the USA has been doing just that to illegal immigrants for decades?

toy recalls lately

Let me remind you that in recent months they have recalled from my local supermarket vegetables grown in the USA due to health concerns.

[denli]

tonyyeb wrote:

terminator4 wrote:
It's tough to.... SNIP .... minimig is made in china ...

Give up. If people, like you, have a problem with China (or any other country) they wont buy products made in that country. Period. Stop trying to impose your opinion on others. I'll buy my products from whoever I see fit.

Hear, hear.

Lets get some MiniMigs instead.

[Krusher]

As long as Who cannot be named is out of the picture (Loads of them, but referring to the One who Killed the Orginal Amiga, not caring about AAA etc, you get the message), I don't care where a populated working board comes from.

[whiteb]

Crom00 wrote:
If someone REALLY knows a factory in the US, Tawian, or wherever that they prefer and know that can handle this kind of work, send me the info. I have no problems swithcing factories if it makes sense.

I am sure there are, I know of one or two here in Australia that do it, but the difference being, you will probably pay 10 times the price.

I enquired about getting a run of Minimig PCB's done here in Australia when I was not sure what was happening with my Nusim boards.

The cheapest I could get, was like AU$250 for a run of 10, instead of about $US50 from a chinese run.

You can get things done back in the more civilised countries, it just costs more.  Why do companies send their production to China and india ?, something called "50c a day".

anyway, Crom, quit playing Elfmania