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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #104 from previous page: July 04, 2003, 08:36:22 PM »
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Could someone please explain how the Pegasos is anymore a "custom design" than any other micro-ATX motherboard? I mean seriously Lando, you sound just like a "real 'name' fanatic"... Just worshipping a name that beginss with a "G" or maybe "P" as opposed to one that begins with an "A".
It's not. Happy?

Please.. Calm down and have some punch.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #105 on: July 04, 2003, 09:10:23 PM »
@Tomas

Nah, PC's haven't been PC's since they left 8-bit.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #106 on: July 04, 2003, 09:15:51 PM »
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So... nothing except 68k hardware would ever be an amiga in your eyes?? WOW! So i guess todays Macs is not a mac either? Cause they now use ppc? And pcs wont be pcs when they got 128bit??
What are you guessing for? I'm an adult and perfectly able to make decisions for myself. For future reference, I don't need assistance in this area.

Also note that we're discussing "true" Amigas. Personally, I do make a distinction between an Amiga and a true Amiga. I will explain.

With Commodore and Escom, they either made the machines themselves or had them made for themselves. This is what I'd refer to as a true Amiga. The AmigaOne has almost nothing to do with Amiga Inc. The board is designed by Mai, fabricated by someone else for Eyetech. Just about the only thing Amiga Inc has to do with it is that they licensed the Amiga trademark to Eyetech for Eyetech's own product.

In other words, is it an Amiga? Sure. Is it a true Amiga? Nope. If Amiga Inc ever brings out hardware of it's own, then I'll consider it a true Amiga. (If the hardware is PPC based for use with AmigaOS. Let's not go off on some bizarre tangent, okay?)

Let us also remember that we're just discussing personal opinions, okay? For myself, all this doesn't really matter that much to me anymore. I spent several years hoping to find something even remotely Amiga-like on the PC. Having MorphOS is even better, because (to me) it feels just like an Amiga.. That's what matters most to me.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #107 on: July 04, 2003, 10:38:47 PM »
After a certain level of sophistication in computer hardware and moreso in software was reached, it's kind of pointless to define exactly what is or isn't an Amiga.  

If 'Amiga' were to be defined exactly, that description could only point to one particular revision of one model of Amiga.  So, if you wanted, you could use a set of exact definitions that cover every revision of every model or you could use a less exact, more flexible definition that allows what we know as 'Amiga' to grow and evolve.  

Growing is painful but, in retrospect, a good thing.  Evolution has some advantages too.   :-)
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #108 on: July 04, 2003, 11:59:31 PM »
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Kronos wrote:
Macs were allways bought based on image and the SW, not the HW.
Really? I've heard all sorts of reasons given for people buying Macs, including plenty of people who like the hardware.
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Macs have changed cradually from 68k to PPC running OSX, something that just
didn't happen with the Amiga (a few 1000 PPC or PCI addons by 3rd party don't count).
So "Macs have change gradually and Amigas haven't, as long as we ignore some of the gradual changes in Amiga hardware"? If the small number of them makes them not count, then unless OS4 sounds vast numbers, it won't exist either according to this.

Having said that, changing things to look at why people buy or bought the machines is a good idea - when people talk about "new Amigas" and so on, presumably they're looking for something that does what they currently use their Amiga for, but better.

But unless you've conducted extensive surveys of the Mac and Amiga communities, I don't see how you can say what you say. The only conclusion we can reach is that some people will buy the new machines as if they were new Amigas; some will stick with older machines; some will switch to an entirely new platform; and perhaps some will buy them, but consider it as a platform switch.

Yes, I first bought an Amiga because it had decent graphics and games at a low price, which won't be true of any new Amiga now - but it stopped being true *years* ago. When I stuck with the Amiga through the late 90s, it was because of the OS and the software. So if any new Amiga was to tempt me because of the OS and software, this wouldn't be some contradiction.

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For those you now want to yell "but it has the Name and the "true" OS" :
Is anyone actually saying this? Perhaps a few will buy based on brand loyalty, which is not necessarily a wrong thing (not to mention that really, brand loyalty isn't about just the name).

At the end of the day, whatever people think is the answer to the question posed by this thread, AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Amithlon, AROS, as well as things like UAE will continue to be discussed and covered on "Amiga" forums because they're viable ways to run Amiga software. And no doubt that AmigaOnes will in future, when OS4 is out, be referred to more generically as "Amigas", because that's it's name - referring to it as such doesn't mean that one is stupid and thinks it's actually an A500 in disguise.
 

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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #109 on: July 05, 2003, 12:02:23 AM »
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So... nothing except 68k hardware would ever be an amiga in your eyes?? WOW! So i guess todays Macs is not a mac either? Cause they now use ppc? And pcs wont be pcs when they got 64bit??


Todays mac is still a mac because at the end of the day they are still crap compared to pc,s. :-?
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #110 on: July 05, 2003, 03:02:56 AM »
Considering you can't buy OS4 yet...
 

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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #111 on: July 05, 2003, 04:38:10 AM »
using the same mentality of some of the people here...
probably any mac made after the mac 128K(or perhaps the 512k model, you pick)
wasnt a real mac because it was different electronically

look if apple computer inc. put a big bright colorful apple logo on the front with the word 'Macintosh' id say its a mac
 

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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #112 on: July 05, 2003, 04:50:55 AM »
I'd say it's a Mac cause it runs Mac software. I'll say it's Amiga cause it runs Amiga software. I'll say it's a PC cause it run PC software (le IBM PC compatible). I don't UAE cause it's a seperate program, and really slow, it's not really the OS your running, Amithlon et al are kind of Amigas, although it sounds more like Linux that boots into UAE to me. MOS and OS4 will be amiga because they both can run a decent amount of the classic amiga's software (since they emulate in a similiar manner aka no custom chip stuff but OS stuff, won't they run more or less the same software???) and, more importantly, they're built ground up to do it. The Longhorn OS microsoft is developing sounds like it probably Won't be Windows, simply non compatible, whatever they darn well call it. Amiga runs on Amigas... hehehe hardware and software are different, some people get wierd Ithink because they had hardware and osftware with the same name, woopee.  two too to.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #113 on: July 05, 2003, 05:10:13 AM »
jeffimix,
i fail to understand your logic...

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I'd say it's a Mac cause it runs Mac software.
that would make the amiga a mac, because the amiga can run mac software, so too can the pegasos, therefore according to your logic, the pegasos must also be a mac
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I'll say it's a PC cause it run PC software (le IBM PC compatible).
including if an emulator is used??
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I don't UAE cause it's a seperate program, and really slow, it's not really the OS your running,

have you never used UAE? you are running the real AmigaOS with UAE! slow?? certainly faster than my amiga(040@25MHz)if you base this on the speed, then by that logic my ibm-pc must be more of an amiga than my A 4000 T  :-o
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Amithlon et al are kind of Amigas, although it sounds more like Linux that boots into UAE to me.
well it is just another emulator jeff...
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The Longhorn OS microsoft is developing sounds like it probably Won't be Windows,
well i dont know what you are on about there...
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hehehe hardware and software are different, some people get wierd Ithink because they had hardware and osftware with the same name, woopee. two too to.

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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #114 on: July 05, 2003, 05:31:52 AM »
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It is theoretically possible to buy a single disk that you boot a PC from and which runs a game, but the enormous number of hardware possibilities prevents that from happening.  You *can* do such a thing on consoles, because the hardware is known and fixed.

I do not expect to be able to boot floppy or CD based games on AmigaOne or Pegasos hardware, for the same reason that you can't on PCs - hardware drivers for zillions of cards.


Exactly my point. It can't be done on any computer accept Amiga. All Amigas had similar hardware such that the game would boot and run with any Amiga computer. The variety of hardware on the PC is good and bad. It is not theoretically posible because there is too much hardware to worry about. That's reality.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #115 on: July 05, 2003, 06:22:05 AM »
@mdwh2

I'll have to point you to the reply Madgun made, we are not discussing
wether
they are "Amiga" or "Amiga-like", but wether they are "true Amigas",
and to
that question only A600-A4000 will get a positive answer FROM ME.

There are alot of people telling lots of reasons why they choose what
computer
they use, some even bought a PC because of MS-DOS ...

But be honest, was the empgasis with Macs ever on the HW, so much as
it was
with the Amiga in it's early days ?

PCI and PPC were never intregrated with the mobos, never standard fpr
any
modell, and most outsiders would just look at you in an odd way were
you to
tell them that your Amiga has those.

99% of all Amigas ever sold use 68k, and only a minority of those use
Zorro.

How many Macs were sold with 68k, how many with PPC ? Or NuBus vs PCI
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2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #116 on: July 05, 2003, 07:09:22 AM »
In all seriousness, the only alternative system that I would consider to be a "worthy" successor to the A1000 and A500 would be the c-one.  It's got the "high-tech" factor (the runtime-configurable FPGAs) and I'm sure that when people start fully utilizing its strengths, it will have the "wow" factor too.
 

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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #117 on: July 05, 2003, 07:37:48 AM »
I think the "Truth Amiga" is Amiga one any sucesor..
Of "Amigas Clasic"... The "Truth Amiga" from A100 to A4000...

Amiga 1000, 500, 600, 2000, 1200, 4000...

C= VIC 20 / 64 /SX64/ 128

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Atari 800XL (SIO2SD unit)

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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #118 on: July 05, 2003, 07:42:53 AM »
Even my Amiga 1200 is not a true Amiga anymore.
I'm using PPC, GRex, Voodoo3.
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Re: Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
« Reply #119 on: July 05, 2003, 09:38:00 AM »
Not today, but the Amiga "classic", is going by that way!..  If the user not wakeup!...

AMIGA IS BACK!
Amiga 1000, 500, 600, 2000, 1200, 4000...

C= VIC 20 / 64 /SX64/ 128

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