Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

[Samuar]

Serious question. Theres a bit of rivalry and competition between PegososPPCs and the AmigaOne. But, do people consider one or the other, or neither; to be true Amigas?

Do you think whether it has AmigaOS 4 running on it would affect your opinion on the above question?

Thanks for your replies in advance,


Samuar

[Madgun68]

Nope. Far as I'm concerned, nothing past the classic machines is a "true Amiga." Money and a sticker don't make an instant Amiga out of anything.

What operating system it runs doesn't matter. Running Linux on an Amiga still leaves you with an Amiga. Running Linux on a Mac still leaves you with a Mac. Running Windows/MacOS on other hardware doesn't turn your machine into a X86/Mac.

[Karlos]

Estimated time to thread degradation into MOS v OS4 flamefest T minus....

[Gaidheal]

Surely this is an easy enough one... it has to be about the hardware platform.  Amiga started with a very advanced and interesting set up at the hardware level, which took the x86 machines about 10? years to really catch up with and then pretty much overtake.  At the heart was the Motorola 680x0 series of CPUs.  As far as I can follow logically, the last "real" Amiga has to be the A4000 as it was actually released by Amiga as a "successor" to the previous Amiga machine.  The OS is irrelevant in as much as "Amiga" was a hardware manufacturer, or rather "Amiga" was a name for a piece of hardware.  Whereas "Windows", "Linux" & "AmigaOS" etc are names of software.  Albeit pretty critical software, but you could actually write your own OS or simply enter machine code.... not recommended though :¬)

edit: mispelt 'heart'

[mdwh2]

Madgun68 wrote:
Nope. Far as I'm concerned, nothing past the classic machines is a "true Amiga." Money and a sticker don't make an instant Amiga out of anything.

What operating system it runs doesn't matter. Running Linux on an Amiga still leaves you with an Amiga. Running Linux on a Mac still leaves you with a Mac. Running Windows/MacOS on other hardware doesn't turn your machine into a X86/Mac.

So what makes a Mac a Mac?

[Gaidheal]

@ mdwh2

Not much these days... TG!  The pretty box?  :¬)

[itix]

Only Commodore Amiga is real Amiga.

[TheMagicM]

nope.    Amiga is long gone buddy.  

[gary_c]

I hope neither AI and its partners nor Genesi would argue with the idea that only the original Amigas are "true Amigas." Sometimes I hear people say MorphOS has the "spirit of Amiga"or is "Amiga-like" or some such thing, which people can probably go along with if we're talking about look and feel, application compatibility, userbase and that kind of thing.

-- gary_c

[JetRacer]

I disagree. I think AOS and the software it runs is what counts. I probably changed opinion about this over the years though. If you'd asked me that question in mid 90's I'd would have agreed on hardware.

I think the fact that we have reached adequate performance to use full framerate 24-bit graphics everywhere (even low-end h/w) made the hardware issue quite irrelevant.

Adequate performance is btw very close to my defentition of the Amiga h/w in the '90, when the x86's struggled to run Windows & co at speeds anything but adequate, the Amiga excelled.

Today I just want AOS and the apps running on a 1GHz PPC / modern gfx board. And it's Because I think it would provide the future Amiga software with adequate performance.


And what is Linux then? Gotcha!
:-)

"-Any unix not running on an 1980's IBM mainframe..."
:-) :-) :-)

[AndrewKorn]

itix wrote:
Only Commodore Amiga is real Amiga.

Commodore? Hah! Bunch of interfering Jonny-come-lately big businessmen.  If it's not Lorraine, it's not Amiga. ;-)

[JetRacer]

@gary_c: that's a tough one. Stuff can be Amiga in lot's of ways. But only Commodore Amiga can be Commodore Amiga. And I think that's the real issue here. As long as no-one is claiming to be Commodore Amiga I wouldn't argue against Amiga Cola not being Amiga.

(jingle)
-Only Commodore Amiga Cola is the real cola.
(pscht!)
-Ahh

[redfox]

 :flame:  :destroy:

[redfox]

It all depends on what you consider to be a "true" Amiga.

IMHO ...

In the day ... Amiga was a unique combination of hardware magic and software magic that allowed the artist or programmer to create using colour, sound and animation.

Today ... we call this multimedia.

In the day ... the hardware magic was created by combining specialized DMA devices, graphics chips, sound chips, glue logic and a processor to manage it all.  That processor just happened to be the 680x0 CPU.

In the day ... the software was tied somewhat to the hardware.  The operating system became known as AmigaOS.

Even in the day ... there was talk of RTG, retargetable graghics, and no doubt some people used sound cards  as well.  A well written program that did not "hit" the hardware directly, could theoretically be used with RTG, different sound cards, etc.  

Today ... the necessary hardware exists in almost every x86 PC, as well as Apple MAC, Pegosos, Teron, and AmigaOne.  Just add a suitable graphics card and maybe a sound card.

Today ... we can run some Amiga programs on x86 systems by running emulators such as Amithlon, UAE, Amiga Forever, AmigaXL, etc.

Today ... we can also run some Amiga programs on PegososPPCs under MorphOS.

Today ... we can see Amiga programs running on A4000/PPC systems under AmigaOS4.0

"When it is ready" ... we will be able to run Amiga programs on the AmigaOne under AmigaOS4.0.

Until the "AmigaOne" can run AmigaOS4.0, it will not be a true Amiga.

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redfox

[Hammer]

Until the "AmigaOne" can run AmigaOS4.0, it will not be a true Amiga.

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redfox

I recall that the AmigaOne was packaged with the _licensed_ Amiga’s Kickstart ROMs for Linux PPC/UAE setup…