Some food for thought

[Fester]

Do you mean the Inside Out by Index Information?

Oh that would have been nice.

[TheMagicM]

real hw is always better than emulated... and your dragged down with only having emulated 040 horsepowers.. no no no no nothing beating real hw!

the thing I like about UAE is.. if the real thing breaks, it'll cost alot of $$ to fix it if its major.  Another thing I like is.. what if you only have a A2000..but want to play some AGA game or use something that requires a Cybergraphix card??  Go out and bid on ebay?  Or use UAE and emulate ?  My system FLIES w/EUAE..  saves $ in the long run and still fun to run workbench @ 1400 x 1280 or so..

[coldfish]

I never really got the whole "expanded uber-Amiga" thing?

It seemed too much a case of diminishing returns; expansion being inversely proportionate to software compatibility.  That, combined with high expense and poor availability...

Small wonder that the uber-Amiga platform was a technological dead end.

[Roj]

I never really got the whole "expanded uber-Amiga" thing?

It works well enough for me. It's a nice compliment sitting side-by-side with Windows.

Just seeing Windows by itself, Windows seems sufficient, but with an uber-Amiga next to it, the functionality Windows lacks is pretty well magnified and offset by the uber-Amiga.

It's also trivial to fall back to a more compatible mode for the old stuff.

[coldfish]

Back in the day, I had a semi-beefed up A1200 sitting beside my win98 work box...

Lack of desk space, huge improvements in emulation and a host of "other" events soon led to natural selection taking its course.

[Zac67]

A1260 wrote:
and your dragged down with only having emulated 040 horsepowers..

You're kidding, right? An emulated 68k on a somewhat modern PC is several dozen times faster than an '060.

[Hattig]

There's something I dislike about emulation in the manner of UAE or Fellow ... probably the host OS getting in the way.

It seems that the CPU emulation is very good, and running a virtual 500MHz 68k on a modern system is great, and for Workbench mode and CPU speed aware 3D games it is great. However the chipset emulation, although good, isn't the same as the real hardware. This makes game emulation and demos (in particular) not feel right.

Hence MiniMig for classic Amiga hardware replication. Whilst I don't think AGA will occur (entirely) on the current hardware design, it could occur on a later hardware design in a year or so. No harm in owning both! MiniMig will be the way to play old games and demos directly on the hardware.

As for the OS side of things, making it run on a standard PC seems the sensible option to me. At least make it run on old PowerPC Macs in the current iteration, and leave the x86-64 version for the next major release.

[dammy]

I'm all for people trying to build nonstandard computers independent of PC/Mac technology. Some of them may end up being pretty cool.

They won't be Amigas, though.

Exactly.  Minimig is a good option for retro gaming.  For Amiga desktop experience, go with common hardware.  Amiga was a magnificent achievement back in the days when the chipset had to be multiple chips since the technology would not support a single chip.  That was 25+ years ago, let's get with reality.  If you want PPC, the only real option is either an old Mac or buy EFIKA.  Or go x86/x86_64 route like ASUS EEE PC.  I like to see the day when ARM based portables will be a real option.

It's about the OS, hardware is just hardware.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[Roj]

If you want PPC, the only real option is either an old Mac or buy EFIKA.

Is there any word on when MorphOS 2 will be ready? (Aside from "When it's done," that is.) ;-)

[dammy]

Is there any word on when MorphOS 2 will be ready? (Aside from "When it's done," that is.)

No clue on MOS.  AROS for EFIKA should be done this year, perhaps sooner then later.   Before Tigger left for his vacation, he said he was making advancement in the porting for this bounty.

Dammy
TeamAROS

[Steril707]

Speaking of Clone-A, I know we're all excited about the Minimig, but whatever happened to Clone-A?

Last I heard it had been demonstrated this spring, so what's holding it up? I didn't find any recent news except for the demo event news.

I am more excited about clone-a, for this sounds like something that might actually get produced in the future.
I am not sure if i want to solder up the MiniMIG myself. I am already challenged by normal soldering, but the SMD parts on the Minimig board say a big "no" for me soldering it up myself.

So, i am looking forward to any news about the Clone-A.

[Fester]

Steril707 wrote:
I am more excited about clone-a, for this sounds like something that might actually get produced in the future.
I am not sure if i want to solder up the MiniMIG myself.

I'm nervous about the DIY soldering too. Clone-a was demonstrated in April. I wonder what's holding it up at this point.

Fester

[Doobrey]

@Fester
 The Clone-A demo was an A500 motherboard with separate FPGAs plugged into each chip socket. I guess they're busy now integrating it into a single chip and a new board.
 Also, Jens has said several times that he's busy with work that doesn't involve the Amiga.

[Tripitaka]

....but is still working on Clone-A in his spare time.  :-D

It's interesting to me that this thread is showing a noticable divide on the emulation/hardware choice we all have. I prefer real hardware to be honest, it's part of the whole experience to me, right down to hitting the "off" button with no shutdown procedure. In UAE you still gotta shutdown Windows et al. after you've shut down your Amiga.
At the end of the day however, it's still a choice and choice is good.

[Fester]

Ahh...

Thanks for the update Doobrey & Tripitaka. I was under the impression they were further along. That explains it.

Fester

[Steril707]

I guess, the real goal for me would be a highly revved up AGA machine, with VGA and PS/2 or even USB connectors.

Give this to the crowd who's paying these insane amounts of money for 10 year old accelerator hardware, and you are sure gonna sell a lot.

It pwould be like having a maxed out classic Amiga, and probably for an 'okayish' price. Count me in. :-)