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Don't Kill The Floppy!
« on: August 29, 2007, 01:08:48 AM »
I think floppy disks are fantastic. They sure as hell aren't perfect mind, and can be broken quite easily by putting them near magnetic fields or in moist conditions, but CD's aren't much good in that respect either. A few deep scratches and you're screwed. Sure, CD's and DVD's can hold a hell of a lot more data than a typical 1.44Mb 3.5" floppy disk, but that is besides the point and downright unfair to compare a medium born in the early 80s with something that only hit the computing mainstream just over 10 years ago. So why then, do I like this storage medium so much?

Well to be honest when faced with that question, I haven't really much idea. They are small and humble, but given the choice of choosing to write a file under 1Mb to a CD or floppy, I'd go for the floppy any day. You can't beat a floppy disk for transferring small files. Or at least that used to be the case...

For years, it seemed the floppy was un-killable. 8" was shortlived, 5.25" was phased out by the mid 90s, but the 3.5" disk has been with us since the early-mid 80s and has since been a very popular storage medium. Such classic pre-CD era machines such as the Amiga 500, wads of 286s, 386s, 486s running DOS onwards, Atari ST's have all used floppies as the standard storage medium. It has been with us for over 20 years, and no one really thought they would go away even when CD-Rs came along. But that is now changing. Over the last few years computer manufacturers have began selling a lot of new machines without floppy drives. I personally think this is awful! They are great for creating emergency boot disks for example, a lifesaver if you're computer goes down. They are great for small text and Word documents, spreadsheets, smaller databases. CD's are too much of a pain to use... rven CD RW's do not offer the simplicity of the drag and drop method when working with floppies. You have to wait longer for the drive to whir up and the disk to start spinning, and you can't delete individual files as easily.

Systems such as Windows XP and OS X have made things easier, but simply erasing a couple of files on a CD and putting new ones on there isn't as simple as it should be.
USB sticks are much better in this respect.

I would love to see the USB stick become the successor to the CD-ROM for example. Just plug it in and go. No waiting for the lens and the drive to whir up, instant access. Read, write, delete, drag, drop as you please. You don't have to worry about scratching USB sticks or floppies either. The critical parts are safely housed with exterior casing.

So while the world gradually shifts away from the floppy disk, I can guarantee that I will continue to use them for the forseeable future.

CD's/DVD's I think should be phased out by something similar. Too often precious files are lost due to scratches. CD's/DVD's should come in a similar plasting housing to that of a floppy, CD cases are ok (if a pain in the ass when they snap/break), but I am talking of permanent housing here.

So that is why CD's suck IMO and floppies kick ass.  :-D

MiniDiscs, USB pens, anything I don't care! Just phase out the damn scratchable disks, they are boring and more fragile!
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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2007, 01:44:44 AM »
I dont know how long its been since I've used a floppy on a regular basis.  On my main system (linux box), I dont even have a floppy drive installed.
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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2007, 02:19:10 AM »
I think it's the actual nostalgic and emotional use we got out
of slotting a disk in the side of our Amiga's.
I sure as hell loved pushing that eject button, and slotting in a new disk, it FELT good. and was instant.
how gay is it pushing eject on a DVD, wait for the drive to spin down (up to 15 seconds) then farts about abit, and eventually you get your disc out.. id love a DVD drive that just spits your disc out the moment you push that eject button. i wouldnt care if it was on fire at the time. as long as it came out..

as far as floppy USE goes. they are unreliable. slow and limited capacity. but I still prefer them to cd/dvd's...

 

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2007, 02:36:33 AM »
outside of feeding a few into my Amigas, I haven't used a floppy disk in I don't know how long.  And, honestly, I'm happier this way.  Kill the floppy!  (Actually, I think it's already dead...)  And I'm all the happier for it.  No more slow-ass track-and-sector copies.  No more waiting minutes for the stupid thing to format (only to have it die out having the last sector verify wrong).  No more worries about the little metal door bending and sticking in the drive (3.5" only).  No more worrying about accidentally folding (5.25" and 8" only).  No more worrying about disk alignment errors.

GOOD RIDDANCE!

You *DID* hit on a pet peeve of mine, though.  I reserve the right to throughly beat anyone who hands me a CD with only 1 400KByte file on it!  :lol:  e-mail it to me, throw it on a usb stick, ftp it to me, throw it on a network share, toss it on a website for me...  I don't care.  JUST DON'T WASTE EVERYONES TIME AND RESOURCES BY BURNING IT TO A CD.  :lol:  If it takes my CD drive longer to spin it up than it does to read the entire contents of the disk, I WILL launch it at your head!!!

 

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2007, 02:53:05 AM »
I'm happy to see floppies gone.

I dont think CD/DVDs were ever a very good alternative, just more of the same; - big clunky drive mechanism to spin some disk shaped media.

USB flash memory killed floppies for good, most newer machines can be booted from USB, and flashing you bios is a lot safer with a USB thumbstick than a mouldy old floppy.
 

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2007, 03:16:07 AM »
Funny this essay was written, nice job. Saw external floppy drives at Staples yesterday while shoplifting, er shoopping for cdrs...   :-D

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007, 05:13:41 AM »
I recently bought my first floppyless machine, a PIII laptop from 2000 :-D (not counting the floppyless A1200 I have though).

I can't even remember the last time I used a floppy drive, the one in my desktop PC is probably rusted shut.

BTW if you're really pissed off at optical media for not having a plastic housing, why not get a CD-drive which accepts caddies and buy a kingsize supply of those ;-).

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2007, 05:19:39 AM »
And paper tape, don't forget paper tape.  

Seriously, those crappy floppies have been replaced by flash drives, they hold a heck of a lot more and are a thousand times more reliable.  

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2007, 06:15:21 AM »
I kinda like the zip drive. you get the feeling of a floppy, but with a MUCH greater capacity...
It is really nice having a floppy drive with the capacity I dreamed of 10 - 15 years ago... :-)
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and the zips lasts a bit longer than the good old floppy disks did/do....
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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2007, 07:07:33 AM »
And without floppies, we wouldn't have such cultural gems as this: http://www.murple.net/crap/dontcopythatfloppy.wmv

Im not a big fan of floppies because long term, they dont last as well as other options, and hold less data. That said, they do have their place (at least on my C64 and Amigas... well, the 64 at least hehe). I think computers ought to have them though, even if you never really use them. I have had to resort to booting broken Linux/Windows PCs with a floppy when the CD wasnt working and the hard drive was mangled. You may not need it for years, but when you do, its nice to have.
 

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2007, 07:11:22 AM »
When I remember all of the problems that I'd faced because of the disk errors. For sure, I'am happier without floopies now.
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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2007, 07:25:47 AM »
I like FDD and diskettes too. Its cool to see it working when you open the top cover.
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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2007, 07:39:28 AM »
I totally agree with TS. I _love_ floppies, especially on my C64/128 systems and on my Amiga 1200/2000/3000. Even on my peecees, I still use them on a regular basis. I have all my computers networked, but still find swapping out smaller files through disk by far the easiest way. I fully agree with some of the posters that floppies are slow and not extremely reliable, but they are so deadeasy to use, I will use them for years to come. And with several thousand of both 3.5" and 5.25" disks, I most likely will not run out of spares...

And, ofcourse, nothing beats the nostalgia value of sliding in a disk in either your C64's or Amiga's diskdrive.  :-D
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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2007, 12:39:56 AM »
and just remember kiddies

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Re: Don't Kill The Floppy!
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 01:07:52 AM »
Hi,

Actually I like the 3.5" floppy's being discontinued, not because I didn't like using them but because when my wife got mad at me about spending to much time on the computer she used to grab a couple of floppies and hurl them at my head, do you know how bad those 3.5 inch floppies hurt when they hit you?

Now the CD's usually float before they hit, they don't hurt as bad.

She hasn't learned about the usb sticks yet!

I think I'll hide all mine!

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