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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2007, 07:33:27 PM »
Just google a bit - all 68060 01G65V I could find are (RC)50 MHz...
 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2007, 07:34:39 PM »
Some guy registers with a.org on the 22nd and 4 days later his very first post is an offer for unicorn-like chips.

Ofcourse it could be true but still: buyer be aware, very aware.

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2007, 07:34:48 PM »

Oh my... http://eab.abime.net/archive/index.php/t-27664.html
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/restqp/k-060.jpg

That one doesnt even say mc68060....

Well, its not any of those i have...I'll borrow a camera from a friend..
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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2007, 07:38:57 PM »
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Just google a bit - all 68060 01G65V I could find are (RC)50 MHz...


And the only matches for 68060RC75 come from Chinese chip suppliers on ebay..cough..FAKE...cough.. :-(
Hate to say it mike, but I think you've been conned.
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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2007, 07:41:35 PM »
Well, when i get my a4000 and cppc back i'll know..
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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2007, 07:46:55 PM »
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Some guy registers with a.org on the 22nd and 4 days later his very first post is an offer for unicorn-like chips.

Ofcourse it could be true bit still: buyer be aware, very aware.


I havent registered here before because i havent had to.. It's a few months since i came a cross this deal, but i dont have cash to pay the man until the 1.th next month, and i didnt then intend to sell 7 of em, just one for myself. This some guy is mike who writes for http://amigaweb.net and amigaugide magazine mike^^ on #amiga efnet





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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2007, 08:01:22 PM »
Hmmm, indeed the google search turns up the 68060rc50a XC even. I bought one of those off ebay actually, planned to see if i can connect it to a minimig. Bought the two at about the same time, in case the 68060rc75's were ec or lc i wanted a backup..

I'll give word when i've tested them in the cppc
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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2007, 09:37:30 PM »
At this point in time, with the information I have (the photo and the details given) it is my opinion the chips you have bought are fake. Why?

The photo is fake.

Motorola never made any MC68060RCxx chips with the mask number E31F. As has already been said the E31F mask was a very early XC68040RCxx mask number.

The chip labeled MC68060RC75 01G65V is fake.

G65V is a REAL 060 mask number HOWEVER no 68060's were manufactured with the MC notation and the G65V mask number. MC status was only awarded later. Also I am almost sure no XC68060RC75 chips were made either.

While OK the XC68060RCxx (G65V) is no competition to its successor the MC68060RCxx E41J version released 2 years later. The G65V variants produce much more heat and do not like higher clock rates as they are a larger geometry, less efficient etc.

 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2007, 10:22:05 PM »
I have an XC68EC060RC60 installed in my Blizzard card it has both an FPU and MMU, can anyone tell me why the is an EC in the part number.

I don't have the mask version as I don't have the board to hand and had to hunt the part number down in my account history.
 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2007, 10:30:50 PM »
EC parts were not (until later) a separate mask.

When chips are made a certain number of them are faulty.

To find the faulty chips they all go on a tester which runs some test vectors (a bit like programs). Not only can they discover faults, but they can tell where in the chip the fault is.

If a fault is discovered but it is say limited to the MMU, or FPU and the rest of the CPU is fine, rather than being binned it is separated and branded EC or LC and sold to a different market (Washing machines etc). This can seriously increase a semiconductor's yeild (the percentage of viable chips) and thus profits.

Often demand for EC or LC parts would outstrip the number of faulty parts being found and in that situation Motorola would sell fully working ones as EC instead.

It is a lottery as to whether an EC part will have a working MMU.

Later to save money I *think* they made specific LC and EC parts which physically didnt have an MMU or FPU and had a smaller die.

Even then if stocks of full 68060's were running too high, rather than make some more EC/LC chips, they would sell rebranded full ones if it saved money.

I hope that explains why your EC part has an MMU.
 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2007, 10:44:07 PM »
I had an ec060/60mhz on my bppc too... there was a time where those 060's where not tested completelly and were sold as EC units... mine was working 1000% with mmu/fpu
 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2007, 10:50:48 PM »
Yeah, that was the time when demand for EC/LC parts outstripped the supply of faulty chips.

Time on the tester is a key part of making money in the semiconductor industry. If you can shorten the time a chip spends on the tester you can sell more chips and increase revenue.

By removing the MMU/FPU test vectors for chips Motorola KNOW are going to be branded as EC or LC then they improve revenue and profits.
 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2007, 11:17:33 PM »
Well at this point I've only thankfully bought one. And im gonna send that to the repair wiz to have it tested.

Again that image there is from googling MC68060RC75 and selecting images.
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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2007, 11:55:59 PM »
This website appears to be the source of all the material about the imaginary MC68060RC75.

As you can see (even with the bad google translation) that even they admit it is FAKE and they were conned by some rogue trader.
 

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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2007, 12:01:56 AM »
its probably a xc68068rc50 yea  :madashell:
It has the exact same markings a XC68060rc50 i bought from ic-china ( the cpu store ) on ebay....
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Re: Full 68060's 75Mhz for sale
« Reply #44 from previous page: August 27, 2007, 01:37:15 AM »
Ok, i have some pictures, taken with a cell phone, i dont know if/how i can manage to snap any better then this, but anyway http://localgost.homelinux.net:8080/68060/ 08 and 10 are the best
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