swap: my SGI o2 for an amiga 4000

[pixie]

There's professional software, it is a dedicated machine for the purpose f doing video, not an all round machine who has once sold by the millions.  

[TheMagicM]

There's professional software, it is a dedicated machine for the purpose f doing video, not an all round machine who has once sold by the millions.

oh ok, then for sure nobody is going to trade for a machine as boring as that.  hell i wouldnt trade my A500 for it. (unless I could ebay the o2 for alot of $). lolz

[madcrow]

Actually, the O2 was NOT a decicated video box. It had some use in the video production market, but it's INTENDED use was as a low-end graphical workstation to muscle in a bit on Sun's turf... Of course it failed, but that's life.

The only Unix hardware I would trade an Amiga for would be NeXT hardware (prerable a NeXTStation Turbo Color)

Link to the system in question: http://lowendmac.com/next/nscturbo.html

[murple]

Wow, religious fanatics are funny... Amigas were awesome computers in their day (which ended 12 years ago). They're still lots of fun as toys and have lots of nostalgia value. However, the people who are shouting rabidly about how Amigas are sooooooooo muuuuuuuuuch betterrrrrrrrrrr than [insert other things here] in this thread kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame." Nostalgia is one thing, but desperate clinging to the past is kind of sad. There have been plenty of computers made since the Amiga which are cool, and substantially better than Amigas. That doesn't lessen the value of Amigas. While I'm sure that had Amiga survived, modern Amigas would be way cooler than most other modern machines, that didn't happen and there hasn't been a new Amiga since Escom's version of the 4000T (unless you want to count prototypes like the Walker).

If you don't like SGIs and don't want one, don't trade for it. There's no reason to sit here like Grumpy Old Man {bleep}ing about how awesome the past was and how everything else sucks.

[pixie]

@madcrow:
I reiterate: it was a "low-end graphical workstation" mainly used for video*! :-P


*taking into consideration the quality it achieved and the fact that graphic conception isn't a stank container, it should be noted that it could also be used for many other graphic related works.

Thanx for the link btw

[Fransexy_]

murple wrote:
Wow, religious fanatics are funny... Amigas were awesome computers in their day (which ended 12 years ago). They're still lots of fun as toys and have lots of nostalgia value. However, the people who are shouting rabidly about how Amigas are sooooooooo muuuuuuuuuch betterrrrrrrrrrr than [insert other things here] in this thread kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame." Nostalgia is one thing, but desperate clinging to the past is kind of sad. There have been plenty of computers made since the Amiga which are cool, and substantially better than Amigas. That doesn't lessen the value of Amigas. While I'm sure that had Amiga survived, modern Amigas would be way cooler than most other modern machines, that didn't happen and there hasn't been a new Amiga since Escom's version of the 4000T (unless you want to count prototypes like the Walker).

If you don't like SGIs and don't want one, don't trade for it. There's no reason to sit here like Grumpy Old Man {bleep}ing about how awesome the past was and how everything else sucks.

Better is something relative and subjective.For example what is better a 70´s dodge avenger or a 2007 ford mondeo, obviously the mondeo is newer and has more technology but has nothing special is another car more, however the dodge avenger is a legend a classic and is more special

In whatever case change an a4000 for a O2 is the most idiot thing you can do.Not because is better or worst but because you can sell an A4000 on ebay a get enough money for buy 2 or 3 O2 on ebay

[amigadave]

pixie wrote:
You who'd never seen an SGI working would be astonished by what it can do.

@stopthegop:
Beside being plain rude your wording clearly shows you have no clue about it...

I would be interested in seeing a quicktime video of what you consider so "astonishing" that the SGI can do.  I am sure it was a very capable machine many years ago, but I agree with the rest (at least most of the others) that are here in saying that an Amiga is the better value and more useful.  If the SGI O2 was so fantastic it would have a larger user base still and command a higher price to obtain one at eBay or any other auction site.  Like most here, I will stick with my Amigas and pass on your offer to trade unless you can demonstrate something amazing your SGI can do that I can't accomplish on my A4000 Toaster/Flyer and do it at least two or four times faster on the SGI.  What software are you offering on the SGI?  Does it come with a monitor, keyboard, mouse? 300mHz and 256mb RAM does not sound like much these days, so you need to sell the idea of trading your SGI in some way to make it sound like a good trade, and I have not seen anything you have written yet to entice anyone here.  You have only been argumentative about the opinions of Amiga users and what we think our Antique Computers are worth and you have taken offense in many cases, where I don't think you should have.  After all everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Amiga users here at A.org will obviously prefer Amigas over most, if not all other choices in computing.

Good luck with your attempt to complete the trade.  I hope you can obtain an A4000 in some way as they are great fun and when expanded fully with the right parts, can produce AMAZING video results. :-D

[pixie]

I would be interested in seeing a quicktime video of what you consider so "astonishing" that the SGI can do. I am sure it was a very capable machine many years ago, but I agree with the rest (at least most of the others) that are here in saying that an Amiga is the better value and more useful.

Amiga is/was a desktop machine which had some professional software/hardware, SGI was just a professional machine. As for usefulness, as I said before I already have one machine which presents all Amiga's usefulness and more, yet doesn't present O2... as such I find it more valuable. That's MY line of thinking.

I will stick with my Amigas and pass on your offer to trade unless you can demonstrate something amazing your SGI can do that I can't accomplish on my A4000 Toaster/Flyer and do it at least two or four times faster on the SGI.

It's about software/hardware, I wasn't talking about OS here, as such I have to say that SGI machines are faster then any Amiga built, and could easily render effects 2 to 4 times faster and render 3D scenes also faster.

What software are you offering on the SGI? Does it come with a monitor, keyboard, mouse? 300mHz and 256mb RAM does not sound like much these days, so you need to sell the idea of trading your SGI in some way to make it sound like a good trade, and I have not seen anything you have written yet to entice anyone here.

I don't have one, but I'm guessing that there's not many Amiga 4000 with 256Mb out there with a 300Mhz CPU nor with a broadcast signal... I might be wrong then :-P

After all everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Amiga users here at A.org will obviously prefer Amigas over most, if not all other choices in computing.

What!?!!? Are you talking to me!? :-P It's like this as much as I enjoy Amiga and it's software it's not as if I could dissociate it from reality. There's things where it excels there's others where it doesn't. For me is about seeing what's good and what it ain't so it can be bettered.

As I understood the trade was about an Vanilla A4000 against an O2, to me I don't see it as unfair, the fact that there are those paying lots of money over a second hand Amiga 4000 has IMO with the fact they acknowledge what it is, and the fact they liked to have one in the past and only now have money to acquire it, where SGI only some would know what it is and yet less what to do with it.

RealTime effects
Horse's mouth

[koaftder]

I use the processor heat sink from an Indigo 2 as an ashtray. My a3000 filters cat hair out of the air.

[amiga92570]

murple wrote:
kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame." Nostalgia is one thing, but desperate clinging to the past is kind of sad.

try the 70's, 80's metal is lame. hahah :-D

[amiga92570]

I bet it can't run one of my old favorites. Nuclear War :-o After all I wouldn't still have an amiga if it were not for the software.

[Ilwrath]

in this thread kind of remind me of 45 year old guys with long thinning hair and worn out Anthrax tshirts complaining about how any music aside from 1980s metal is "lame."

Hey, what gives?  I'm in my *30's*, I'll have you know.  :lol:

As for the trade...  I agree that with the price differential, you're not likely to have many takers.  But the SGIs really have a special elegance to them, and a hardware build quality (and weight) you don't often find.  They're cool machines.  I don't use my Octane that much, but it's still one of the favorites of my collection.

[madcrow]

murple wrote:
If you don't like SGIs and don't want one, don't trade for it. There's no reason to sit here like Grumpy Old Man {bleep}ing about how awesome the past was and how everything else sucks.

Nobody's said that SGI sucks, they've just said that they like the Amiga better. SGIs happen to look cool and have cool software available. Sadly said software is VERY expensive, whereas the Amiga has loads of excellent software available for cheap/free... I also suspect that an 060+PPC Amiga with lots of RAM and a Voodoo3 would wipe the floor (performance-wise) against a low-end SGI, but even that may not be true as the ammount of PowerPC software for the Amiga is so low.

[stopthegop]

pixie wrote:  

I find it strange when a native speaker doesn't quite get what is written in HIS native language...

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pixie, you can obviously read, but let me help you out a little with comprehension.  


The original comment was mine:

That SGI may indeed be more "powerful" than any Amiga. But no way is it better.

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To which B00tDisk replied:

Thanks for providing me with my "idiotic quote of the week"

[/i]

To which orange replied:

there is nothing wrong with that 'quote'...

[/i]

To which B00tDisk replied:

You've "obviously" never even touched an SGI.

[/i]

To which I replied:

So in your view anyone who hasn't touched an SGI is an idiot?

See how this works?   B00tdisk asserts I'm an idiot for making a comment she disagrees with, and orange an 'idiot' by association.  Similarly, she states it factually "obvious" that orange has never touched an SGI.  If you follow the statements, the implication is clear: That I'm an 'idiot' for saying something she doesn't like and orange is an 'idiot' for defending it.  Just as its 'obvious' neither of us has ever touched an SGI.  Follow?  

[pixie]

See how this works? B00tdisk asserts I'm an idiot for making a comment she disagrees with, and orange an 'idiot' by association. Similarly, she states it factually "obvious" that orange has never touched an SGI. If you follow the statements, the implication is clear: That I'm an 'idiot' for saying something she doesn't like and orange is an 'idiot' for defending it. Just as its 'obvious' neither of us has ever touched an SGI. Follow?

Following that path of events one cannot assert that he's calling you idiot by not using a SGI, but for not using a SGI and yet providing such quote.

[murple]

Following that path of events one cannot assert that he's calling you idiot by not using a SGI, but for not using a SGI and yet providing such quote.

That was my interpretation as well.

"D00D Ive nevar used one but I gnow they are teh suxx0r!!"

K. Thanks for playing. Next topic!