Paint Shop Pro IFF Image colouring

[Hodgkinson]

Hi all,
Does anyone have any idea what the correct RGB values for the 4 colours of WB when running in 4 colour mode are?

The mouse pointer is a red, the drawers appear to be a light shade of blue, I seem to remember finding the correct value of white to be (Unuasually) somthing along the lines of R 233 G 233 B 233 , whilst R 255 G 255 B 255 seems to generate (I think even in WB 256 colours mode) a black-white checkerboard style appearance when used as a background image (All RGB values quoted from Paint Shop Pro 6)

Im pretty sure black is R 0 G 0 B 0.

Any ideas?

Im trying to make a 4-Colour WB friendy background but unfortunatly I dont have a decent Amiga IFF paint utility, but I do have PSP 6.0 which has IFF support.

A screen print of a non customised WB3.0 screen with a drawer open and mouse pointer visible might suffice, if anyone knows where I could download one from.

Thanks,
Hodgkinson.

[Plaz]

How about using a screen grabber to take a snapshot of your amiga workbench with things arranged the way you like? Then you could use PaintShop Pro to edit.

It's been years since I screen grabbed my workbench, but here's some utils that would do the trick...

Screen Grabber search at Aminet.net

Plaz

[Hodgkinson]

I've got some RGB and screen size values.

Have a look at my photos.

Hodgkinson.

[marcfrick2112]

Hi  Hodgkinson,
well, from my OS 3.9 'palette' program, here are the values....
BTW, AFAIK, those first 4 colours have not changed since OS 2.1, or so... they are not related to the pointer colours, either....
RGB 198, 198, 198 'light grey background'
RGB 0,0,0 'black'
RGB 255,255,255 'white'
RGB 102,136,187 'light blue'

as said, the pointer uses a different set of colours, not sure if a screengrabber can capture the pointer anyway.....
I use QuickGrab to grab WB and other screens....
BTW, Hodgkinson, know of any less-expensive PC program that will import IFF files?

[Thomas]

The default colors are as follows (created by "reset to defailts" from the menu):

Pointer:

Red: 224 4 64
Black: 0 0 0
Light beige: 224 244 192

Screen:

Grey: 170 170 170
Black: 0 0 0
White: 255 255 255
Light blue: 85 119 179

And for Kickstart 1.3:

Pointer:

Red: 221 34 34
Black: 0 0 0
Grey: 170 187 204

Screen:

Blue:  0 85 170
Write: 255 255 255
Black: 0 0 34
Orange: 255 136 0

Bye,
Thomas

[Thomas]

know of any less-expensive PC program that will import IFF files?

http://www.irfanview.com/

Bye,
Thomas

[Hodgkinson]

Thanks for the replies, everyone.

@ Thomas ... Hmmm. Your colours seem to be different to those on my system. What OS are you running and do you have anything along the lines of MUI that might affect the colouring?

The figures that I got from my system was via the "Palette" utility in prefs, on a plain WB3.0 A1200 with KS3.0, and no fancy visual programs what so ever. Not even a new set of icons. The colours have never been adjusted.

On that note, what programs / parts of the OS are affected by reducing the screen setting down to 4 colours? Any exceptions? I see programs that open into their own screen aren’t affected, and as already pointed out, the pointer isn't restricted by this. From my tinkerings the background quite definitely is.

Hodgkinson.

[Thomas]

Your colours seem to be different to those on my system. What OS are you running and do you have anything along the lines of MUI that might affect the colouring?

I got them from WinUAE running OS 3.9 and Picasso96, nothing else.

I tried again with Kick / WB 3.1 and got these:

grey 170 170 170
black 0 0 0
white 255 255 255
blue 102 136 187

I'll retry with 3.0 once I find one of my AmigaForever CDs.

On that note, what programs / parts of the OS are affected by reducing the screen setting down to 4 colours? Any exceptions? I see programs that open into their own screen aren’t affected, and as already pointed out, the pointer isn't restricted by this. From my tinkerings the background quite definitely is.

Different screens have different screen modes and depths so the depth of the Workbench screen only affects programs which open their windows on that screen. All programs which run on the same screen share the properties of it. There are no exceptions.

Hardware sprites (e.g. the mouse pointer) have their own DMA channel. They always have four colors, no matter what the current screen mode is.

Bye,
Thomas

[Hodgkinson]

I tried again with Kick / WB 3.1 and got these:

grey 170 170 170
black 0 0 0
white 255 255 255
blue 102 136 187

Thats the same as I got for WB3.0. It would seem that the colours might vary slightly from OS to OS.

All programs which run on the same screen share the properties of it. There are no exceptions.

Just remembered. What about the circular colour selector in Pallete? Even in 4 colour mode it still displays a full range of colours.
Having said that, I think its a gadget in itself if im not mistaken, so there might be somthing extra going on that im not aware of.

Hodgkinson.

[Thomas]

What about the circular colour selector in Pallete? Even in 4 colour mode it still displays a full range of colours.

No, it doesn't. If the screen has only four colours, the gadget cannot have more than four colours, either.

The only possibility is a truecolour screen on a graphics card. Here the screen mode (more precise: the pixel format) defines the number of colours. The depth setting only limits the number of pens for drawing, not the number of colours.

The (new) palette gadget has logic built in which asks the bitmap if it is on a graphics card or not. If the depth of the bitmap is 8 or smaller, then it uses pens for drawing, otherwise it uses the graphics card's truecolour functions.

Thats the same as I got for WB3.0.

Well, above you quoted 198 198 198 for grey. I don't remember ever having seen these. It's a little bit too bright for my taste. Actually all of the colours are a little but too grey for my taste. I prefer a blue background and orange window borders similar to those of WB 1.3.

Bye,
Thomas

[Hodgkinson]

Thanks again for your reply.

Re the Palette; i've just been and checked on the A1200. The colour wheel gadget does show all possible colours (Well above the 4 colour screen mode selected), but thats only because it opens in a new window of its own :-)
Didn’t notice that before.

Re the Grey being 198,198,198 ... The reason I said that is because I took the values from a image that I *thought* had the same grey as the system background, and since it displayed correctly on the screen, I *assumed* that it was. That was a long time ago.
The grey in the Palette that I found was 170,170,170 (See http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=2138 for the other colours that I found).

Btw, I quite like the grey and blue of WB3.0 when used together. Personally I think it’s much less harsh on your eyes than the colours of WB1.3

Hodgkinson.