Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: Minimig PCB run - interest thread  (Read 99073 times)

Description:

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline koaftder

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2004
  • Posts: 2116
    • Show only replies by koaftder
    • http://koft.net
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #269 on: August 03, 2007, 12:51:57 AM »
Xenepp, why no feedback?
 

Offline amigadave

  • Lifetime Member
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 3836
    • Show only replies by amigadave
    • http://www.EfficientByDesign.org
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #270 on: August 03, 2007, 06:02:41 AM »
Just looking at the jpeg of Dennis' v1.0 Minimig again and thinking what a beautiful job he has done with the design. Maybe I am easier to impress than some of you, but I think Dennis' design is nothing short of a work of Amiga computer ART!  (Love the Galaxy Quest quote too)

I would really like to have a duplicate of HIS EXACT BOARD layout, including the same silkscreen text.  The only changes I want are the fixes he has suggested and I would prefer NTSC video timing, or the option to switch from PAL to NTSC and back via a jumper.

Can anyone make this request a reality?  

Dennis, if you are reading this and have access to one more of the original 4 boards you produced, I would gladly buy it. (I know this is not a real possibility)
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

Offline phreakske

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2007
  • Posts: 1
    • Show only replies by phreakske
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #271 on: August 03, 2007, 06:39:19 AM »
i'm interested too... for an assembled kit
 

Offline freqmax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2006
  • Posts: 2179
    • Show only replies by freqmax
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #272 on: August 03, 2007, 07:19:57 AM »
http://rapidshare.com/files/46669345/minimig.sch.html
Minimig schematic complete, minus the joystick port.
I used 1Mx16 ram instead of 2x 512kx16.

Headphone back-emf?
* The +1.25V and +2.5V can be connected to +3.3V to save power. Due P_heat=U_drop*I.
* Howcome the many connections to the fpga isn't in numerical order?
* What is the value of C37 100uF/6.3V ?
* Why is R42 present?, it's just sitting between +1,25V and GND.
* Howcome (54,55,56) M1,M0,M2 is connected to VccAUX, doesn't it need 3.3V?
* The 'SPI_DOUT' from the fpga and SPI_DOUT from the sdcard (via 1k) can drive eachothers output, maybe this can be resolved with an or gate or such instead?
* Maybe the keyboard and mouse can share connection?, I've seen that on laptops asfair (saves i/o).
* There's no over/under potential protection for keyboard or mouse?, like video output have. Howcome?
* Maybe the rs232 output of mcu and fpga can be shared without a jumper by setting an AND-gate between. Because the default level for rs232 is "1". And thus any transmission will produce "0", and if the other maintain the rs232 "1" resting state. IT should work.
 

Offline amigadave

  • Lifetime Member
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 3836
    • Show only replies by amigadave
    • http://www.EfficientByDesign.org
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #273 on: August 03, 2007, 07:48:08 AM »
Quote

freqmax wrote:
http://rapidshare.com/files/46669345/minimig.sch.html
Minimig schematic complete, minus the joystick port.
I used 1Mx16 ram instead of 2x 512kx16.

Headphone back-emf?
* The +1.25V and +2.5V can be connected to +3.3V to save power. Due P_heat=U_drop*I.
* Howcome the many connections to the fpa isn't in numerical order?
* What is the value of C37 100uF/6.3V ?
* Why is R42 present?, it's just sitting between +1,25V and GND.
* Howcome (54,55,56) M1,M0,M2 is connected to VccAUX, doesn't it need 3.3V?
* The 'SPI_DOUT' from the fpga and SPI_DOUT from the sdcard (via 1k) can drive eachothers output, maybe this can be resolved with an or gate or such instead?
* Maybe the keyboard and mouse can share connection?, I've seen that on laptops asfair (saves i/o).
* There's no over/under potential protection for keyboard or mouse?, like video output have. Howcome?
* Maybe the rs232 output of mcu and fpga can be shared without a jumper by setting an AND-gate between. Because the default level for rs232 is "1". And thus any transmission will produce "0", and if the other maintain the rs232 "1" resting state. IT should work.


Posting a image link to a site that requires us to register is a waste for those (like me) that don't want to bother registering at that site.  Can you upload the image here?

P.S. Dennis, I hope you don't mind me using a reduced version of your jpeg for my Avatar for a while.
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

Offline bpostma

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2007
  • Posts: 1
    • Show only replies by bpostma
    • http://www.brianpostma.com
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #274 on: August 03, 2007, 08:02:27 AM »

I need one too....
Preferably assembled, or at least with the SMD components mounted (soldering SMD just isn't my thing).

ATX form factor would be nice, but the original design is ok too.
 

Offline CD32Freak

Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #275 on: August 03, 2007, 08:34:18 AM »
Quote
Posting a image link to a site that requires us to register is a waste for those (like me) that don't want to bother registering at that site. Can you upload the image here?

@amigadave
You don't have to register to download the file, just click the free button down below :-D
 

Offline Dennis

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Dec 2005
  • Posts: 128
    • Show only replies by Dennis
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #276 on: August 03, 2007, 08:40:28 AM »
Well done to convert the schematic.
I'll try to answer all of your questions/observations.

Quote
* The +1.25V and +2.5V can be connected to +3.3V to save power. Due P_heat=U_drop*I.

The LM1117 has a dropout voltage of 1.3V, so the +2.5 must be connected to +5V to be able to regulate properly.
Besides, power dissipation will be the same; it doesn't matter if the heat is dissipated in +3.3V regulator or in the +2.5/+1.25V regulators.

Quote
* Howcome the many connections to the fpa isn't in numerical order?

The connections are made that way to ease the PCB layout.

Quote
* What is the value of C37 100uF/6.3V ?

Yes.

Quote
* Why is R42 present?, it's just sitting between +1,25V and GND.

R42 is to provide a minimum load for the LM1117. Just to be sure.

Quote
* Howcome (54,55,56) M1,M0,M2 is connected to VccAUX, doesn't it need 3.3V?

No, they need +2.5. All config pins on the spartan do. If you want to connect them to +3.3V, proper current-limiting should be applied.

Quote
* The 'SPI_DOUT' from the fpga and SPI_DOUT from the sdcard (via 1k) can drive eachothers output, maybe this can be resolved with an or gate or such instead?

A gate would be better. During normal operation, the SPI out of the MMC card is tristated by disabling the MMC, the same goes at the FPGA side (it's a tristate port). This way, they can share the SPI bus.

Quote
* Maybe the keyboard and mouse can share connection?, I've seen that on laptops asfair (saves i/o).

That is possible, but you still need 4 I/Os. It does save a PS/2 connector though.

Quote
* There's no over/under potential protection for keyboard or mouse?, like video output have. Howcome?

It is a minimal design. The spartan has built-in ESD protection that this design relies on. However, monitors and TV's are notorious for blowing up video ports so extra protection has been added there!

Quote
* Maybe the rs232 output of mcu and fpga can be shared without a jumper by setting an AND-gate between. Because the default level for rs232 is "1". And thus any transmission will produce "0", and if the other maintain the rs232 "1" resting state. IT should work.

Yes, no problem. However, all debug output of the PIC has to be disabled as not to interfer with the FPGA serial output.

Dennis

 

Offline skurk

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2006
  • Posts: 929
    • Show only replies by skurk
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #277 on: August 03, 2007, 09:00:29 AM »
...and now we are mentioned on reddit.com.
Code 6502 asm or... DIE!!

[C64, C128, A500, A600, A1200, A3000, MBP+Mini, Efika/MOS2.1, Sam440 w/AOS4.1
 

Offline amigadave

  • Lifetime Member
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2004
  • Posts: 3836
    • Show only replies by amigadave
    • http://www.EfficientByDesign.org
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #278 on: August 03, 2007, 09:09:28 AM »
Quote

CD32Freak wrote:
Quote
Posting a image link to a site that requires us to register is a waste for those (like me) that don't want to bother registering at that site. Can you upload the image here?

@amigadave
You don't have to register to download the file, just click the free button down below :-D


My Bad :-(
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

Offline pixie

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Apr 2002
  • Posts: 481
    • Show only replies by pixie
    • http://savoc.tripod.com
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #279 on: August 03, 2007, 09:16:40 AM »
Quote
I am ready to buy at least one, if not two boards. Preferably the original size of 12cm square.


Then sir, you might as well get what you want! ;-)

At the same time contributing for the openness of it by directly contributing to the Team AROS Kickstart II bounty.


pixie- writing from a paradise called Portugal
 

Offline freqmax

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2006
  • Posts: 2179
    • Show only replies by freqmax
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #280 on: August 03, 2007, 12:16:01 PM »
Quote

amigadave wrote:
Posting a image link to a site that requires us to register is a waste for those (like me) that don't want to bother registering at that site. Can you upload the image here?

Any tip on a better site than rapdishare.com is appriciated. I  find them a bit messy. But just took what I knew at the spot when I was tired.
 

Offline vanbako

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Join Date: Aug 2007
  • Posts: 1
    • Show only replies by vanbako
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #281 on: August 03, 2007, 12:30:34 PM »
The assembled PCB would be fine for me!

My original Amiga 500 Plus broke down on me some time ago...
Anyone knows if I can recover the Kickstart?
 

Offline 1NOM155

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Join Date: Jul 2006
  • Posts: 184
    • Show only replies by 1NOM155
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #282 on: August 03, 2007, 01:27:56 PM »
take a look on the amigakit.net about the kickstart roms...
3 x Amiga 500 REV. 6A, ROM 1,3 v34.5 (1991) (All Working)
1 x Amiga 600 REV. 1.5, ROM 2,05 v37.300 (1991) (Stand-by for install a Toshiba HDD2718, 2167MB)
----------------
WTB Amiga 1200 or  Amiga 3000 D & T or 4000 D & T.
Any one to sell to Europe?
 

Offline yssing

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Apr 2002
  • Posts: 1521
    • Show only replies by yssing
    • http://www.yssing.org
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #283 on: August 03, 2007, 01:33:08 PM »
Here is a crazy thought.. Would it be possible to add more than one CPU on future revisions?
What about an DSP, like on the Delphina cards?

 

Offline jonssonj

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Join Date: Oct 2003
  • Posts: 254
    • Show only replies by jonssonj
Re: Minimig PCB run - interest thread
« Reply #284 from previous page: August 03, 2007, 09:00:07 PM »
I'm also interested in a minimig in any shape. Fully assembled though if the price is right.

BR
Jörgen