Ben Yoris' interesting comments on another website.

[Warface]

Kronos wrote:
MikeB's report of the OS4-tour (top news-item)

Good to see that they can create flames themselves, and it wasn't because of my presence (and of many others who just like me deleted their account on amigaworld.net for some reasons).

Shakes head...

[Warface]

Ben Yoris would have been a crowd favorite to these individuals before his comment, and he is public enemy #1 to them after his comment. This could be seen as "Thrown out"

The so called "crowd" may love them and eat Hyperion alive the other day. It's the nature of the crowd. (Or the so called "Amiga" community maybe)

[DaveP]

redrumloa wrote:
@DaveP

There was alot of anger toward Ben Yoris for his personal opinion on OS4's release date and he took alot of sh*t for his opinion, just as certain people gave Wayne alot of sh*t for his personal opinion.

Yes, but in BOTH cases they were an opinion - no more and no less which is why I stayed out and didn't criticise either.

Wayne's personal opinion he stated a few months ago have now been filed in the archives of fact,

No, its been filed in the archives of good guesses. ;-)

and Ben yoris' is approaching fact, yet certain posters have yet to apologise to either individual.

I think thats between them and those individuals don't you?

Ben Yoris would have been a crowd favorite to these individuals before his comment, and he is public enemy #1 to them after his comment. This could be seen as "Thrown out" :-x

Highly unlikely. Ben Yoris gets alot of respect around the place and especially in AmigaWorld.net. His diatribe was towards Hyperion and the "thrown out" and "fired" is in the same sentence.

Thrown out from an AmigaWorld website would be literally having his account deleted forcibly or less extreme being sent to coventry - neither of which happened.

Fired would mean he was on the staff of AmigaWorld and paid, which also did not happen.

So we go back to what I just said, the guy made a mess up.

Oh and no need for the  :-x I think.

[DaveP]

Unless you can substantiate either assertion I suggest you stop attempting to brand the readers of AmigaWorld.net in such a way.

No one has demonstrated that they think he is public enemy #1 on that website, no one has demonstrated that they thought he was a crowd favourite.

As for this speculation that you just added Warface you are approaching slagging them off for the hell of it which is also uncalled for.

[DaveP]

Good to see that they can create flames themselves

Its called an argument, heated debate. Flames would be  getting far more personal than that.

[HyperionMP]

The point is that I don't see any reason why this "discussion" should be resumed on a different forum.

Quite frankly, I don't even know if it was Ben Yoris posting and if it was, there are no bad feelings between us and him as far as I can tell from my end.

Even if there were, I would as a rule prefer to sort this out in private rather than in a public forum.

[cgutjahr]

@redrumloa:

It's completely irrelevant in this context what others did to Wayne, unless a) Wayne can't speak for himself and b) Hyperion was motivating people to attack him. I'm pretty sure that neither is the case.

Now, if a moderator could move this thread to where it belongs (certainly not "Amiga Gaming") we could get on with more important things.

[DaveP]

cgutjahr wrote:

Now, if a moderator could move this thread to where it belongs (certainly not "Amiga Gaming") we could get on with more important things.

Yes, I love the example this set.

[Warface]

As for this speculation that you just added Warface you are approaching slagging them off for the hell of it which is also uncalled for.

Pardon me, it's just my personal feelings and experience. That's the exact reason I left that site for. No need to come "after me" and continue your attack on anyone critical towards your beloved ones. We all have opinions, you know.

And regarding the crowd... It's the Helgis effect. (Sorry Helgis :-)) A mixture of frustration and blind devotion which bursts out occasionally in absolutely contradicting behaviour.

[DaveP]

Firstly I did not attack SlimJim at all, I disagreed with him. Why you cannot recognise a disagreement over and above a personal attack I have no idea. The fact that you see that I disagree with people like SlimJim should show you that I am not in it for allegiance sake. Neat oversimplification of myself and my motives by Warface - very underwhelming.

Secondly it was not because he was criticising Hyperion, it was because I think that everyone has a right to reply ( if you read what was put you will notice I included Bill Buck in that ) and should not be silenced.

Thirdly, you condemned an entire sites readership based on Helgis - or the Helgis Effect. Now unless you can manage to pull a rabbit out of the hat and demonstrate with examples why you should spread your condemnation so thickly I suggest you quit with the oversimplifications.

Finally the fact that you call a discussion site readership inbreeds shows exactly at what level you are capable of debating at: Sophomore. Quit with the insults please.

[redrumloa]

@HyperionMP

Will lock the thread due to your request.

@cgutjahr

Where eles would have been more appropriate? Hyperion first and foremost is a game company by their own discription, and ben Yoris stated he was a game beta tester mostly :-? Anyhow you'd have to reply by PM, this thread is locked.

[PulsatingQuasar]

This is the xxx th( note the THREE X's here) example of the darkside of the so called 'Amiga community'.

Just a bunch of twits with nothing better todo than ripping every sentence apart some important person has made and driving one company after the other into the ground.

I value the days I didn't have internet and was O so happy just reading Amiga Format and CU Amiga Magazine. Those were the days.
Since then I met the real community and it saddens me to see that it's no single company destroying the Amiga, but more the 'Amiga community' itself.

I haven't seen 1 week the last couple of years in which the only things that happened were constructive. There was allways some twit somewhere that did exactly the right thing in starting another round of crap and buggery.

If we don't start to mature in this community then the platform on either side won't stand a chance. It will only be rediculed by those who have since then went on to owning a PC or MacIntosh.

[Warface]

DaveP wrote:

Pardon me, it's just my personal feelings and experience.

Based on what? You condemn a whole sites readership because......?

Because amigaworld.net was always very proud that it's a peaceful site, having no flames and strict moderation. And also blamed for the rarely occuring smaller flames the MOS trolls. Now this time I saw no MOS trolls in there, just an in-breed enermous mud throwing fest, driving two of the Hyperion staff away.

Oh I see, so if I criticise your generalisations I am defending my "beloved ones". Nice and rational.

Come on, you even attack the least emotional among us, you jump on even SlimJim if he says something criticising Hyperion or Ben Hermans.

We all have opinions, you know.

Quite. So am I allowed one that contradicts with yours?

Why not? :-) However I can't see what is your problem. My arguments are valid. There was a huge flame fest on the "peaceful" amigaworld.net and I was not involved. I stated nothing more, nothing less.

And regarding the crowd... It's the Helgis effect. (Sorry Helgis :-)) A mixture of frustration and blind devotion which bursts out occasionally in absolutely contradicting behaviour.

I was not aware of Helgis being an Amigaworld.net member. I mentioned him because of his over reacting posts here on Amiga.org.  "The nature of the crowd". Couldn't agree more.

You take this too personally methinks.