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Offline pyrreTopic starter

New style monitor for amiga computers
« on: July 11, 2007, 07:30:12 PM »
A while ago it was posted here about new monitors for amiga, that can coop with 15kHz vertical sync.

Kent Modular Electronics were one of the producers who were mention.
I have been in contact with them, asking for prices on their products. In particular the 17" LCD desktop monitor.

The answer:
(be prepared)
Pricing for 19LM171A61MP/4 is approx £1575.00

That blew the air of my hopes to get a decent monitor for my amiga. But the search is still on....
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
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Offline rkauer

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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 07:40:27 PM »
£1575.00?:-o

 Oh My Fookin' God!!!!:shocked:

 Those guys are nuts? Is this set a 45" plasma monitor? Have a built-in expresso cofee machine with a built-in waitress? :crazy:  
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Offline pyrreTopic starter

Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2007, 07:48:16 PM »
no, they are VERY high grade industrial monitors, designed for use in ships, offshore, airplanes ++++

But not for a desktop amiga life  :-(
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
Video decoder
 

Offline spirantho

Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 08:06:19 PM »
Or just get either a monitor with composite in (like my Iiyama AS4636D - but the quality's not great on composite) or else an HDTV which takes both and costs a few hundred...
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Offline pyrreTopic starter

Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2007, 08:43:12 PM »
hmmm...

intelesting:
sceptre 17" monitor: USD 199
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
Video decoder
 

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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 08:49:36 PM »
@ pyrre
How on earth can they justify that amount of money for that sort of thing?
As I stated in an earlier post if you want some thing for an Amiga then be prepared to get ripped off, then act as if they are doing you a big favour.

Typical greedy b*****d companies.
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Offline pyrreTopic starter

Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 09:00:51 PM »
Try reading the company policy...

It is not making products intended for amiga use...

    * Industrial
    * Marine
    * Process Control
    * Military
    * Rail
    * Air
    * Machine Tools
    * Broadcast
    * CCTV
    * Digital Signage
    * and in Public Information Applications.

That is why it is expensive....
Amiga 1200 Tower Os 3.9
BPPC 603e+ 040-25/200, 256MBram, BVIsionPPC, Indivision AGA MK2.
Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
2088 bridgeboard, 2MB ram card, 2091 SCSI.
Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
Derringer 030, 32MBram, Buddha in sidecar, Indivision ECS.
Amiga CD32
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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 09:11:20 PM »
Thats not the point though is it?
Its monitor that can go to 15Khz now tell me some one that the company can fully justify that amount of money?

Just because they add a few names to it like.

 Industrial
* Marine
* Process Control
* Military
* Rail
* Air
* Machine Tools
* Broadcast
* CCTV
* Digital Signage
* and in Public Information Applications.

So because its for the above, then they can put that price on it, believing that they will of course pay for it. (and yes they do)

That is pure greed and nothing else.

Its a bit like if I want to buy a hand rail for a bathroom that is 21" long and made of steel with a plastic coating, and 3 screw holes at either end, I shall pay £9.90 for it, BUT if its for a disabled person the EXACT same thing then you pay £21.95 for it.
True facts believe it or not.

Are they not doing the same sort of thing here.

They know damn well they can charge that and get it.

RIP OFF, RIP OFF, RIP OFF.
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Offline spirantho

Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 09:22:20 PM »
That's not the case here though. If it were, then everybody would just buy the cheap versions!

There are many reasons for more expensive TFT monitors, but the largest is that only one type is cheap - which is the mass produced Taiwan screens. However, these aren't suitable for every purpose - for instance the colour balances are often wrong, the viewing angles are poor etc. etc. Nothing your average user would notice, but no good for a professional.

As soon as you go out of the standard ultra-mass produced bracket you're into completely different territory.

Supply and demand. Supply and demand for cheapy monitors is high, so prices are low due to economies of scale.
Supply of expensive monitors suitable for more professional uses is much lower, demand also lower, hence prices are MUCH higher.

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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2007, 09:26:52 PM »
Well for the price I would like to see one for its capabilities, compared to a cheapo version.

I would imagine for the price it would be second to none.
Amiga 1200, 82gb HD, 4 way IDE\'97, DVD Multi-Recorder, OS3.9, BB1,BB2, Apollo Turbo MkII 030/40, 32meg Fastram, 4Gb CF card PCMCIA slot, IDE CF card adaptor 4Gb CF card, HP 810C, Alba HDTV, Converted PC PSU. C128, C64, C16, Plus4, 1701, 1570, 1541MkII, ARP6.0,KCS Power Cart, FreezeFrame MK3B, Freeze Machine, Simons Basic,  PSP, PS1, PS2, PS3 HDMI and 1TB HD+ 80gb USB HD, PS3 TV add on, Sound Surround speakers for PS2,PS3,PC, and Amiga Amazing so
 

Offline pyrreTopic starter

Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2007, 09:31:37 PM »
well... no... not really...
And I am not going to defend their policy.
But after looking at their site, i don't really see the issue about taking money for a product that is specific designed and designed to work in almost any condition. On a boat, on a train, in an airplane... +++

If YOU were to make such a product, doing the research needed to make a quality product... That kind of work is not cheap...
All though, the price may be a bit stiff... I agree there...
 
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Amiga 2000 (rev 4.0) Os 1.2/1.3
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Amiga 500+ Os 2.1
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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 10:06:38 PM »
Just been thinking about all this quality and monitors stuff.
If you buy a very very good expensive monitor, and your eyes are not that clever then even with glasses then the quality would not make that much difference on the monitor if the person`s eyes cant see as good as, say a person with 20/20 vision.
I need glasses to view my monitor and its pretty good,(well it seems that way) but if I didnt need glasses then would the display be better?
Point being its maybe not so much the quality but the persons eyes to start with. (of course quality is always good)

Like I know a person who baught a 17" Dell and the picture was indeed very good, to ME, but to HIM it was not that good at all.
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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2007, 11:26:05 PM »
It really has nothing to do with image quality. The point is that a higher pricetag is normal for a more rugged industry-spec display. After several trashed TFT TV's in my VJ setup I resorted to buying Bosch CCTV monitors. The consumer spec monitors just weren't up to it.
I should have recognised the problem, since my Philips CM-8833's have also been replaced with the steel cased CCTV versions, which have the same inards, but a more expensive case.

A $200 pricetag is actually quite cheap, if it is REALLY an industry spec display. And the mention of a horizontal frequenty of 15KHz also needs to be confirmed.
 

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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2007, 12:19:33 AM »
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pyrre wrote:

    * Industrial
    * Marine
    * Process Control
    * Military
    * Rail
    * Air
    * Machine Tools
    * Broadcast
    * CCTV
    * Digital Signage
    * and in Public Information Applications.


sounds like it's mil-spec  :-P
 

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Re: New style monitor for amiga computers
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 06:07:00 AM »
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spirantho wrote:
Greed doesn't last long in a capitalist society.

 :lol: you might want to rethink that statement  :lol: