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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #44 from previous page: June 28, 2007, 07:05:00 PM »
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when the "latest" OPERATING SYSTEM is being ripped off and sold by a 3rd party nobody thinks that is wrong???  Jeeze.  Amiga, Inc is obviously still in business and had contracted out to have the OS created, but they own the OS!  I see it going in their favor.  Good thing this is happening in a US court.


Whos pirating what ? I think you don't get the picture here, the way I see it OS4 belongs to Hyperion cause they MADE it, and AINC did NOTHING and we all know that. AINC are the pirates here cause they're trying to steal OS4 from Hyperion using contracts and legal {bleep}. In the worst case scenario Hyperion could sell OS4 under a different name and send bogus sources to AINC if they need to. AInc can't win anything even if they win the at the court.
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2007, 07:37:41 PM »
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It's still one bunch of crooks beating up on another bunch of crooks. Whoever wins the Amiga lost a long time ago.


Couldn't of put it better myself.

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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2007, 07:43:37 PM »
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Whos pirating what ? I think you don't get the picture here, the way I see it OS4 belongs to Hyperion cause they MADE it, and AINC did NOTHING and we all know that.


Hyperion got the job to do OS4 it's not theirs, Ainc contracted out the job. To create Amiga Inc's OS4.
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2007, 07:58:30 PM »
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? If anything It increased Hyperion's chances of winning!


Not at all.  The entire Itec-KMOS transfer is a non-issue now (though it always should have been), the entire they didnt pay us enough is now a non-issue.  The only thing Hyperion has left is AI(Washington) was legally insolvent on April 23, 2003 (no true, so thats not going to work) and we completed the OS in December of 2004 but didnt pay anyone like we were supposed to when it was completed, and we also didnt tell AI we were done, instead we kept working on it until December of 2006, when we actually told everyone we were done, so they paid us too late, but we still didnt send them back all that money they gave us for the buyback.   Thats not going to go well either.  Why on earth do you think this helps Hyperions case, they've invalidated half of there points in one fell swoop.  
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Don't Hyperion also claim that the IP transfer from Amiga W to Itec, was invalid, even fraudulent? You're right that the arguments regarding the Itec to KMOS and then Amiga D are now a non-issue, but to me, it looks like the arguments will now be redirected to Itec. It's the same arguments, just a different target (owned and run by the same people).

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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2007, 07:59:15 PM »
Regardless, we need a resolution and quickly, "so the world may know....."

*snort*


Note - "so the world may know" is a registered Trademark of Amiga, Inc. They have nothing of value, other than that catch phrase and only businesses with an established market of 500k per year, are allowed to use it and only with a signed license from Amiga, Inc. The catch phrase will be bundled with a sub-standard, buggy font, printed in limited numbers and only with a $1000 "The world has no idea" coupon or a $5000 "Party on, Wayne" Club T-Shirt. License and restrictions do indeed apply. Not available in Puerto Rico.

Hey, I just thought of something. Does this mean, if Hyperion wins, we have the "So the world may know" Stadium???  :roll:  :lol:
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2007, 08:04:17 PM »
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It's funny how everyone is so anti piracy on here with regards to sending Kickstart ROMs, Workbench disks and similar things, but when the "latest" OPERATING SYSTEM is being ripped off and sold by a 3rd party nobody thinks that is wrong???  Jeeze.  Amiga, Inc is obviously still in business and had contracted out to have the OS created, but they own the OS!  I see it going in their favor.  Good thing this is happening in a US court.


The issues aren't that simple. According to the license agreement, Hyperion own their work on OS4 until Amiga Inc. exercises their "buy-in" (or "buy-back"). In the mean-time they can market and sell it using the associated Amiga trademarks.

Amiga Inc. claim that they paid the $25000 + outstanding debts in full, and therefore should get the source-code. Hyperion claims that this is not the case. Piracy really doesn't come into it. Both sides are trying to protect what they see as theirs.

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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2007, 08:05:42 PM »
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It's still one bunch of crooks beating up on another bunch of crooks. Whoever wins the Amiga lost a long time ago.


Spy vs Spy

Crook vs Crook

Sounds like a new cartoon.  :lol:

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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2007, 08:07:43 PM »
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It's still one bunch of crooks beating up on another bunch of crooks. Whoever wins the Amiga lost a long time ago.


Yep, this is one big pile of doodoo. Any chance of the name Amiga being taken seriously again has disappeared long ago. The remaining parties, though, seem intent on driving that little bit that's left of the Amiga name completely and utterly into the ground. Amiga should've disappeared along with Commodore...

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« Reply #52 on: June 28, 2007, 08:11:39 PM »
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It's still one bunch of crooks beating up on another bunch of crooks. Whoever wins the Amiga lost a long time ago.


Yep, this is one big pile of doodoo. Any chance of the name Amiga being taken seriously again has disappeared long ago.


In relation to this lawsuit, the Amiga name isn't really tarnished in the eyes of the average consumer, simply because this lawsuit doesn't even register on their horizon. Apart from the few thousand of us visiting the various Amiga fora, nobosy even knows, or cares, that it's happening.

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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2007, 08:25:52 PM »
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The only thing Hyperion has left is AI(Washington) was legally insolvent on April 23, 2003 (no true, so thats not going to work)

Of course not, it was only Bill McEwen committing perjury, but who cares...


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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #54 on: June 28, 2007, 10:55:09 PM »
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The only thing Hyperion has left is AI(Washington) was legally insolvent on April 23, 2003 (no true, so thats not going to work)

Of course not, it was only Bill McEwen committing perjury, but who cares...


First of all, McEwen himself said they basically werent insolvent under Title 11, he listed the assets they had, trademarks, etc.  If the value of them, is greater then the value of the debts, under Title 11 they arent insolvent.   The value of the Amiga Trademarks, OS, etc exceeds the value of the debts at the time.   No court ever found the company insolvent, so just because AI had no cash on hand, doesnt mean they were legally insolvent in the US.
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2007, 10:58:10 PM »
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First of all, McEwen himself said they basically werent insolvent under Title 11, he listed the assets they had, trademarks, etc. If the value of them, is greater then the value of the debts, under Title 11 they arent insolvent. The value of the Amiga Trademarks, OS, etc exceeds the value of the debts at the time. No court ever found the company insolvent, so just because AI had no cash on hand, doesnt mean they were legally insolvent in the US.


They should have cashed the second $25K and called it a day.

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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2007, 11:10:11 PM »
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I love how one letter and an uncashed check takes Hyperions 25% chance of winning to 10% or less.  It was really clever, I'm not sure who came up with it, but he earned his money with that one move.


I'm suprised to see you have this view. Up to this point I figured AI had a slam dunk. I read this most recent document and thought things had shifted in Hyperion's favor.

INAL, just watching this freak show. No matter who wins we all lose. Its all just strangely fascinating, in a disturbing kind of way.
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2007, 11:48:26 PM »
Tigger is continually bigging up AINC side of things.  He seems to have something personal against hyperion, becuase nobody with a brain could defend AINC as much otherwise
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #58 on: June 28, 2007, 11:59:48 PM »
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I'm suprised to see you have this view. Up to this point I figured AI had a slam dunk. I read this most recent document and thought things had shifted in Hyperion's favor.


Well first of all Hyperion was silly to bring it forward and make it part of the court record.   Now there it is in black and white Itec tried to pay 25K before the 6 months had ran out, Itec say in fact they had already paid it, etc, but just in case the judge decides Tachyon money or KMOS money or McEwen money can't count towards the number, there is no doubt Itec with an Itec check tried to pay for the OS.  It also takes all the KMOS transfer out of the equation.  Hyperion argues that they didnt agree to KMOS (now you and I both know that Ben and Evert posted lots of messages and press releases to the contrary, but that doesnt matter now).   Hyperion agreed to sell the OS to Itec, they signed a contract, Itec has tried to pay them so they supply the OS to KMOS who they have sold it too.  KMOS is suing for non-delivery of the product, they know there friends at Itec would love for it to be supplied, Hyperions says they are giving it to them because they didnt agree to transfer the contract (though they took the 7200 and 8850 as more payments just fine from KMOS), fine, Itec says here is your money give us our software so we can supply it to its new owner KMOS.  All the KMOS isnt AID, KMOS cant buy the contract unless we agree, etc all goes away, because Hyperion agreed to sell it to Itec, after Itec buys the OS, they can sell it whenever and to whoever they want, so Itec says give us the OS, so we can supply it to KMOS and most of Hyperions case has now gone away.   All the stuff about AI-KMOS contract, the coupons, etc all goes away.  Its real simple now, Itec bought the contract, Hyperion agreed to sell the OS to Itec for 25K, Itec has written checks exceeding 25K to Itec, Itec hasnt gotten the OS.  Who Itec sold the OS to, how much they paid, etc, all has nothing to do with Hyperion.   Hyperion has cut there own throat and Ben doesnt even realize it yet.  It like when he provided the Friedens contracts, they help AID alot more then they help him.   Ben needs to prove a US company was insolvent when it owed a few 100K and still owned trademarks worth millions, or prove that despite he and the rest of Hyperion telling people "when its done" for years, that it actually was done in December of 2004, even if he does that, he still needs to prove that Itec didnt really pay them the $24750 which he invoiced for the wrong amount.   Hyperion needs to be working on a better rabbit or start doing something to cut the court costs they are going to have to pay for AI's high priced legal team.
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Re: Hyperion takes bat, swings for McBill's head!
« Reply #59 on: June 28, 2007, 11:59:52 PM »
All this debating and endlessly gonig over the facts as each person sees them is pointless. The a.inc fanboys will keep saying a.inc is gonna win and the hyperion fans will do the same. When it comes down to it the judge and/or jury will decide.

One thing you can guarentee is the amiga community is gonna lose.

Me I'll just sit on the sidelines, play with my pegs and aros, and snigger to myself at people who keep saying the same point of view over and over again.

Can we just move on to something more constructive!!! PLEASE!


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