AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[Kronos]

@DaveP

The "late 02" statements on the "Mosbench" (Ambient) have been
made long before Thendic got involved, and I'm sure you could find
them if would take the time to search through the ann.lu-archives.
Thrusting me on this is the easier method  :-D

But if you do, you might also find out that my "conversion" was based
on two things: MOS dropped the plans for using AOS-WB, and OS4 went
from "any suitable HW" to "any licenced and dongled HW".

[Kay]

> What your saying then is that OS4 is entirely 68K then?

Wow, that's some conclusion to draw from what I said. OS4 is not 68k only, but there are components which remain 68k. I can't remember exactly which, but they were claimed not to be performance critical. Anyway, I'm guessing they wouldn't demonstrate OS4 without the 68k emulator. Whether they are able to boot it up "at home" without these components, I don't know. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, maybe they are not bothering with it until they have the emulator. It hasn't been that long since the firmware was completed, and the emulator integration is apparently  just around the corner.

> ... if it where 'all' 68K (workbench and all) then you might as well run Amithlon because the big E world is what the entire OS would be then...

Well, it isn't.

> If i had known that they NEEDED this 68K Layer to even boot the OS i'd of thought less of it from the beginning even.

I don't think they need it just to boot. To run OS4 in it's entirety though, they will need it. I guess this wasn't too clear from what I wrote. In my defence, let me say that it was really late (around 0430) when I wrote it. :-)

Kay

[The_Editor]

Kronos said ..
Thrusting me

Ooo  . No thanks Kronos ... People might start to whisper things !!   :-o   ( Mos in bed with Aos)

 :-D    :-D

@optimaloptimusprime

DAMMIT EVEN I PRIME LEFT AMIGA. ITS NOT AMIGA ANYMORE. Dam misleading, misinformation from Amiga inc ., and their cronies have killed off Amiga. Although, the topology and Ideas still live. The core Amgia people are the ones that dont kiss ass and know what to do, and we are doing it.

Does anyone else think Shawn sounds scarily like www.timecube.com?

[Ponos2D]

As someone said before, just wait until both systems
are finished and available for purchase.

My A1200 with Mediator and BlizzPPC does most of
jobs that I do, bit I hope to see OS4 on my curent
system, before I buy one of two new boards.  
I'll shure go SharkPPC+ and OS4. Hope! Hope!

I survived Cancer(Hodgkins limfoma), and I'm lookig
all from bright sides now. With all steps behind
other tehnologies, I'm happy to use my curent system,
but I would be happy to see any of these two boards,
but AmigaONE is slightly leading for me.

Amiga and Me = Survivors

[zacman]

>What you have to remember is that a lot of recent
>AmigaOne demos have
>been made by local dealers you have only recieved
>the board a few days

Sorry but then it is definetively no system for the end user yet. If you need some expert and many days to create a working system that's really not what users want to have.

[DaveP]

No. Neither the Pegasos or the A1 are end user systems yet.

Patience.

[zacman]

>No. Neither the Pegasos or the A1 are end user
>systems yet.

I'm speaking about the hardware and the BIOS. If it
isn't possible for a user to build a working system in
a few hours it's definetively not worth buying.

[DaveP]

I agree. Which is why I slagged off the 1000 UKP Power Tower IV system that I bought from Power Computing that required #### loads of work on it to get it to boot.

[olegil]

You are speaking about the hardware and the bios?

In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory, harddrive and graphics card and press the power-on button?

That's ALL I had to do to test a linux-kernel on ppcboot today. Except I already had the board with graphics card, ram, hd and power connected, of course :-)

My god, what are you talking about?

[zacman]

>In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory,
>harddrive and graphics card and press the power-
>on button?

I don't know. Let's see:

at OASE:
BIOS didn't work (RAM was not recognized, later the
CD ROM device was recognised as a HD) -> no
booting was possible

at Pianta Amiga:
Do not know the reasons: but there was no running
AmigaOne

at Oulu:
No working AmigaOne was shown (because of
some BIOS problems, which I don't know what they
were).

So please tell me what was so difficult, that there
was no working AmigaOne at the last weeks'
shows?

[yssing]

I will most likely go the MOS + Peggy way.
I decided this last year.. when they paused the development of AOS4.0.

MOS is more promissing to me, and there are quite some apps to go with it.

olegiel , and whomever
The loonies are the ones that would support amiga and cant use any common sense . Mips supports me amont many others. We where jsut having fun last night and elektro got the joke and played along. Dam I said the same thing strobe did over a year ago. You attack strobe in the same way. Almost to a the letter . Its a sad fact you cant  attack from differnt angles always saying stupid meaningless ****. My facts are taken off the this so called thread. This is a pure dictatorship.  You cant say anything but what redrumla and wayne agree you can say. Well TS  to them .  Well this will be taken off also or they will let it stay up because they want to prove me wrong. I dont think they can think that deeply . so maybe ... :-D

[Glaucus]

The only thing AOS4-related which was demonstrated was a really buggy 3.x/4 hybrid which ran on a friggin A4000.

I hate to reply to early posts on an already long thread, but, do you really think it's fare to pass any judgement on software that's not even in beta testing?  Every software ever writen was pretty buggy at one point, so you're not saying anything useful or informative here.  Hyperion has never claimed to be close to a final product, they never siad it will be out next week, or next month, so to judge it's "bugginess" is just uncalled for and unfair.

I understand you've made a choice but there are merits to both systems and no body needs mis-information.

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

lets all start a new thread "Playstation 3 Vs Xbox"

No way man, whenever the PS3 was demoed it wasn't even running.  Plus it has no games available!  And I don't really know for sure since I've never seen it, but it looks ugly!

 :-P

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

I will bet anybody here $1000 USD that AOS4 will not even be DEMONSTRATED in any form on the A1 this year!!! It's a friggin impossibility!

This year or next year, I don't care, as long as they get it right.

The way I see it, technical merits aren't the only thing here.  We're talking about a computer that will enjoy a very very small market.  I would rather by an inferior system that has more software available.  I think the Amiga name can draw more developers and users in, and in the long run could come out ahead of MOS.  MOS & Pegasos might be better technically, but that doesn't interest me.  I wouldn't spend $2 on a system that has no future.

If it turns out that the AmigaOne has no future then it's bye-bye Amiga and I'll just move on to other things.

  - Mike