OS4 on tour - why so little news?

[takemehomegrandma]

Markus_Bieler wrote:

Good report about Basle and the presentation, but [color=993300]too[/color] positiv.

Otherwise I would have been surprised! ;-)
That's why it's interesting to hear reports from more ordinary users. :-)

[HyperionMP]

Couple of remarks here: the interpretive emulation reaches speeds of around 68040/40 on a Cyberstorm PPC @ 200 Mhz.

Most modules on the demo are still 68K as we are now putting into place the tools (OS 4 native compiler, source-code conversion tools etc.)  to migrate the whole OS to PPC.

Once this is done, I don't expect migration to take more than 2 weeks tops considering  the number of developers with a PPC.

This is based on our experience porting SFS, CDFS, cia.resource, timer.device etc. to OS 4 native.

With respect to the JIT, it is ready to be integrated into the system.

[lempkee]

next weekend is os4 on tour in sweden, i will be there.

i will tell ya all when i am back...

[takemehomegrandma]

@ HyperionMP

Sounds promising. :-)

So in your opinion, an end-user release for CSPPC in September is plausible?

[HyperionMP]

I'd say so, yes although I'll be damned if I'd stake my life on it.

You are for instance referring to the fact that no apps running under emulation were shown.

This is a fair comment and I'll ask that some apps are shown next time (I suspect they were not shown because it is not always clear to people that they are running on OS 4 and that the emulation speed is bound to go beyond 060/50 with the JIT).

But whilst we have not run a vast variety of apps, we have tested things like Wordworth, DirOpus 4, PPaint, some games like Colonization, Ibrowse, YAM etc.

The JIT is ready for integration, Almos is doing an OS 4 application launcher, Alex will integrate that into the system.

Meanwhile, we're cleaning up some outstanding bugs and cosmetic issues pending arrival of a full OS 4 native toolchain.

Once that's done, we don't expect that it will take too long for modules to be migrated. We have already migrated some complex ones like SFS or timer.device and those didn't pose any significant issues.

[Karlos]

HyperionMP wrote:
Couple of remarks here: the interpretive emulation reaches speeds of around 68040/40 on a Cyberstorm PPC @ 200 Mhz.

Blimey...That's actually a bit faster than I was expecting for an interpreted emulation :-)

[cecilia]

takemehomegrandma wrote:
Heh, all information filtered through the Information Minister!  :-P

HA!!!! that's great! love that guy! :-D

[jahc]

Meanwhile, we're cleaning up some outstanding bugs and cosmetic issues pending arrival of a full OS 4 native toolchain.

@HyperionMP

What do you mean by a "toolchain"? A native compiler? So you dont have to compile OS 4.0 stuff under Linux?

[HyperionMP]

OS 4 native compiler with C runtime library, tools to convert source-code from OS 3.x to OS 4.0 target etc.

[CodeSmith]

@HyperionMP:
Sounds great!  I'm guessing this will be the same set of developer tools that will be available for end-users... any idea how long after OS4 ships will this be available? now that we're so much closer to release date, does a new set of RKMs look more or less likely?

[HyperionMP]

We'll release everything we have in terms of tools at the time OS 4 comes out.

That includes an easy to install "ixemul" free GCC compiler as Olaf Barthel did his own C runtime library which we have been busy porting to PPC.

Plus all the tools we are doing to migrate source-code, examples to write OS 4 native code (devices, libraries etc.).

A full developer CD should come out shortly after OS 4.

[CodeSmith]

That's great, thanks!

Examples are definitely needed, looking over my copy of "Libraries" I see that it's all 2.1 stuff (I was under the impression there was a 3.0 section, but I now see that it's only on the developer CD)

BTW, Olaf rocks

[jd997uk]

BTW, Olaf rocks

Olaf is the quiet man. Actually, he should be added to the list of people to be interviewed, since he hardly ever comments on-line.

-john