Amiga One vs. Pegasos

[meerschaum]

if your going to start slagging Genesi off as non-professional you might go to dictionary.com and look up the definition.

some things the Amiga.inc camp has done dont exactly fall into that catagory...but then again maybe the t-shirts,ceo debacle,auction,etc are all part of some 'bizzaro' world definition of what a pro is...

maybe their what you might call 'fatmouse' pro's... fatmouse dosent make things!...he makes them better!!!.. fatmouse dosent have an office...he makes the officer nicer?... fathouse dosent have a trademark he makes the trademark sparkle? fatmouse dosent have a t-shirt he makes the t-shirt wider? ... that kind of logic maybe?..... spoiling/waffle tactics with a dash of fatmouse and a big checkerball... sounds like a trip to a freak show to me

[lempkee]

yeah and why did they release the t-shirt ??

its easy to see what someone is dooing wrong and make them look like a fool, atleast if you have money to waste..

anyway i cant make genesi look worser than they allready do atm.

i am not saying that they wont pick up the speed/pace , that remains to be seed but atm i would rather go for an imac or a pc compared to a pegasos.

 

[meerschaum]

fatmouse dosent make thing bad!, he makes them worse!, fatmouse dosent make pigs fly! he makes them fly higher!... fatmouse dosent make Macs! he makes them more square!.. fatmouse dosent run!, he runs further... <(and on and on and on it goes in the world of mouse logic )>

[Kronos]

@lempkee

How about getting a basic clue before you start posting such crap ?

I DID use Amithlon for over 1 year as my main Amiga, and it was much faster than the A4k (060),
even more stable. It did run GoldED, TurboPrint, IBrowse, AWeb, YAM, fxPaint, StormC,
AmigaWriter (oh well ....) ArtEffect and and ...

Same goes for the Pegasos since last october (yes much faster than 060).

Offcourse both won't run HW-dependant games, but Inoone (sane) bought them for that, and
those games won't run on the A1 either (outside UAE that is).

[lempkee]

kronos: and where is the REAL thing here?

ie to use agA or such.

what you are explaining also doesnt have paula etc , look at the comparrisment with slamtilt, thats an good example.

its easy to say its an amiga for u it seems, as you basically use osfriendly stuff only , i use almost ONLY non osfriendly stuff.

stop blabbering about os tools and such, i was talking about AMIGA and what made it an amiga.

anyway yes i agree that YAM and IB etc are faster on pegasos and on amithlon, but theese are also faster in UAE and on AmigaOne with os4 , sorry i dont see your point....at all.

amigaone and pegasos is just as much NOT and amiga by theese terms, only thing that makes me use the a1 is because of os4 , also amithlon was never an option for me....

[Kronos]

@lempkee

If you want old games, stay with your A500/1200 or use UAE.

OS4 won't be any help here (not on the A1 and very likely not even on CS-PPC).

Yes I know someone will come allong to babble about the virtual-addressing, and how it
could be used to intregrate a AA-emu into OS4, but that would need to written 1st (and I
don't see anybody lining up for that task), and will never be as good as the real thing
or even UAE.

And since the topic is AmigaOne vs. Pegasos it would be completly OT to go any
further on that route of discussion.

[Van_M]

Don't use the firewire thing as an argument cause the Amigaone isn't equiped with one, anyway.
I'm just trying to point things out, as an outsider. I haven't been into Amiga computing for 8 years and now Im looking for an alternative platform to get away from the wintel platform..... I guess with the stupidity that's ruling the amiga world, I'll have to stick to my pc....
OK, be a PC person for a while, that's used to companies like Microsoft, AMD and NVidia. Say you are tired with the "commercialism" (oh yeah we've heard that too!) of the wintel platform, and want to investigate about alternative platforms. One day you learn about a revived computer platform called amiga and you find it interesting. You visit the websites and read interviews of the CEOs Bullsh***ng each other. What would you thing? Would you find that professional?
To the outside world professionalism = computers that have a software to run, companies that are paying hardware enginners to fix chipset bugs, lists of software products that are under development, 3d games that look great (Epic) and fancy packages that contain a thousand useless little things that u don't need but it's nice to have for free.
On the other hand, what would you expect someone to think of a company that has to be the one with the most missed deadlines in the computer world?
I'm sure, someone will come up with an argument like "we don't need people who don't know the amiga, who are not dedicated users".... The Amiga will never die, right huh?!?

[Van_M]

Don't use the firewire thing as an argument cause the Amigaone isn't equiped with one, anyway.
I'm just trying to point things out, as an outsider. I haven't been into Amiga computing for 8 years and now Im looking for an alternative platform to get away from the wintel platform..... I guess with the stupidity that's ruling the amiga world, I'll have to stick to my pc....
OK, be a PC person for a while, that's used to companies like Microsoft, AMD and NVidia. Say you are tired with the "commercialism" (oh yeah we've heard that too!) of the wintel platform, and want to investigate about alternative platforms. One day you learn about a revived computer platform called amiga and you find it interesting. You visit the websites and read interviews of the CEOs Bullsh***ng each other. What would you thing? Would you find that professional?
To the outside world professionalism = computers that have a software to run, companies that are paying hardware enginners to fix chipset bugs, lists of software products that are under development, 3d games that look great (Epic) and fancy packages that contain a thousand useless little things that u don't need but it's nice to have for free.
On the other hand, what would you expect someone to think of a company that has to be the one with the most missed deadlines in the computer world?
I'm sure, someone will come up with an argument like "we don't need people who don't know the amiga, who are not dedicated users".... The Amiga will never die, right huh?!?

[Van_M]

my apologies for the double post... I'm so stupid....

[JoannaK]

At this point ... I have to ask from original poster did he have any other poin in this than to start yet another pointless flamefest..  (that's what's going on right now)

If there was.. I'm sorry, but it'll wont happen on these forums cause there simply are too many people with way  too much free time. And opinions.. oh boy.. Opinions on thngs they have no clue..   ;-)

[Sloxa]

i dont personally like pegasos.. becouse
it is not AMIGA!!! and probaply never come to be.
its good if there is some amiga clones, but
if they doesnt run same sofware , what the point???
 :-?

[Karlos]

Not this sh*t again...
It seems one can't come here anymore without some utterly pointless Peg v A1 / MOS v OS4 slagfest going on.

Would one of the moderators be so kind as to can this thread?

[lempkee]

first of all

kronos:  yes this is why i will use my real amiGA 1200 for all my oldskool needs.
and if u read the earlier statements this was some of the things i was arguementing about , someone said that the amithlon etc was 10000 times faster or whatever than a real 060.
i measure it by amiga standards and on amiga software , so in that case special custom games and demos etc.  anyway i hear ya.

van_M. : the firewire issue , when it came around everyone said, BUT THE a1 doesnt have firewire, its crap..so i will get the pegasos.
WHAT they didnt know is, you can ADD any new soundcard to the a1 and u will get firewire from there ,   positions like this is endless.
anyway i am going the OS4 way and i did that very early , i dont regret it and i never will (like when i choosed to stay on amiga all over theese years.)

anyway i have friends who have pegasos's they are still my friends after they got one , but i have told em so many times , dont come to me and whine if 1. os4 wont be for it , 2. if your hw gets faulty and u sent it to genesi for repairs and nothing happend. 3. if you get wrongfully information trough dubious generals in dubious companies with dubious intentions.

sorry but i really dont like genesi , MOS is a nice idea, i like it and it works ...abit unstable atm but its better than anything else for the so called amigappc kernels atm (warpup / powerup and mos) .

also the mos creators are nice people but that doesnt mean that the actual company who make the hw is liable, now does it?  , i bought a grexx from dce in feb 2002 , it was a DOA .. still not got it returned , so please SPARE me from the DCE poltics that they have changed etc.

sloxa:

i agree with you on that , the os can be for seperate systems and the software for all systems, errmmm doesnt that sound ABIT weird?
sorry but i dont see this happen, just look at the time when atari and amiga was battling for the throne.

Anyway i hope that mos will stay on pegasos and aos4 to stay on A1 , and software developers will develop specific versions for each os , as that will show which one is the best atm etc, but that wont happen as the market is too small and will have to release as many conversions of a game to make a profit.

cheers all

pps:sorry for flame...

[Warface]

My gosh... Not again.

I'll summarize for the flamers their opinion:

My [insert company here] is much better than your unprofessional, liar company of yours.

And guess what... It's all true :-) Can we stop that?

[mikeymike]

Warface, you forgot the "you all suck" quote, or something based around it.

This happens about three times a week here doesn't it?  Don't the flamers ever get tired?

[Karlos]

@The "my system/vendor is better than yours" mob...

Have you lot ever looked at your posts after the point where your urge for a bit of one-upmanship has passed? Y'all look like a bunch of delinquent teenage lads arguing over willy sizes.

Every bloody thread connected to amiga ppc hardware / software ultimately gets polluted by your childish need to have a go at your opposite camp.

Why not give it a rest for a day? Or a month. There is so much more to life than Pegasos / AmigaOne, you know.