Amiga One vs. Pegasos

[kubyx]

I'm just weighing out the facts... Pegasos has Firewire and Digital Audio onboard, but Amiga One doesn't?

Pegasos = ALOT cheaper too.

Can Pegasos run Amiga OS 4 when it is released?

Are there any major differences between the 2 systems?

[jeffimix]

Pegasos is no longer in production (to be solved with Peg2 eventually). Pegasos can not, and probably will never run OS4 (Unless BBRV has mind flip and pays dongle fees). AmigaOne boards are rather overpriced, I'm not sure if they do have any real advantages (excepting an eventual port of the true Amiga Operating System)

[Alkemyst]

The AmigaOne does come with onboard sound now.

If the price and the hardware is what really matters to you then a Pegasos2 is for you.

If Aos4 is what you really want then its the Aone.

[meerschaum]

I think Alkemyst summed it up nicely.... although I'd also note MorphOS is pretty decent and apperantly OS4 wont do much that MorphOS cant...

[amigamad]

I think Alkemyst summed it up nicely.... although I'd also note MorphOS is pretty decent and apperantly OS4 wont do much that MorphOS cant...

Are you sure .If you buy an a1 from eyetech dont buy the cpu fan i never and my a1 g4 xe came with it .Pegasos is a very good alternative and morphos is near to an amiga os in use from what i have seen it also is looking good with updates to it going on all the time.Its very fast to boot to.a1 has to use linux at the moment so that might put you off untill os4 comes out. :-D

[Van_M]

I have been away from the amiga computing for 8 years but lately, the whole situation with x86/intel(AMD)/microswimpe has started pissing me off and Im gonna buy a pegasos2 the coming Christmas. This system rocks!
 I don't know about amigaone/Os4... I think, as an objective outsider, that the Genesi team has shown more professionalism over this situation and their product is performing better than what OS4 has promised to deliver (and still hasn't)....  I spend the whole night comparing the systems and the facts behind the companies, and Genesi/Pegasos/MOS seem to have a clear advantage over amiga, eyetech and hyperion... the only think we can hear from amiga inc. is we WILL do this and we WILL do that, while genesi is quickly developing strong foundations for a succesfull system...
I found my jaw to the floor after playing the video showing MOS booting!:-)  
Im definitely attending any upcoming public demonstration of Pegasos and MOS.

pardon my bad English, I come from Greece

[Brian]

The OS is what makes an Amiga and so Peg/MOS is no alternative to me since I want AmigaOS. I can't agree on the Professionalism with so much FUD originating from them.

Don't know if this is correct any longer but at AmiGBG03 I was told by one of the Peg demo crew that a PegG3/600 could only run 68K apps at about half the speed of a 060/50 with the JIT they had. Feels like a downgrade to me when knowing that I would run a bunch of old software on a new machine.

[meerschaum]

Brian how can call something FUD and then a sentance later spread so much FUD?.... it goes against logic and against reality to say it can only run 68K apps at about half  the speed of a 50mhz 060...its much faster then that and it should scale with CPU...

[Kronos]

@Brian

a) FUD : On this point Hyperion and AInc are allready in deep sh*** (with Eyetech trailing behind),
and Genesi still has alot to do to come ven close ....

b)"half the speed of a 060" : Well that IS 100% BS, even the non-JIT emu is much faster than
a 060, and the PPC-native adds alot of extra speed to most daily apps. The JIT is talked to
reach about 50-70% of thehost CPU.

It may fit in with the performance of a non-JITed UAE, but that is something all computers
with a PPC-CPU in the 600-1000 mhz-class will have to face (until Bernie releases his
PPC_2_68k-JIT).

The only real difference between AmigaOS(4) and MorphOS is the name, and if names had
matter for me, I would never had bought an Amiga in the 1st place (think abaout Apple or even
AtariSt), but the technology is was allways counted for me, and thats is why I bought the A500
back than and the Peg last year.

[Van_M]

All the pegasos reviewers say that the board is SMOKINGLY fast compared, even with the fastest classic amiga configurations. I think it makes sense too.... about professionalism, the amiga inc. gives the impression of a company ran by two guys in a small office, giving phonecalls to a small computershop (eyetech) regarding a homebrew piece of hardware... even the bundle of their mobo is poor compared with a pegasos which is waaay more attractive (games, t-shirt) and is asking for much less. Just look at how Genesi handled the Atrisia bug matter....  

[Rogue]

a) FUD : On this point Hyperion and AInc are allready in deep sh*** (with Eyetech trailing behind),
and Genesi still has alot to do to come ven close ....

Thanks, Mr. Kronos. There was no point in dragging in Hyperion again.

[Brian]

Don't see how what I said is fud since it was what I was told by the Peg demo dude and as I don't have anything to compare with I will have to take that as true. Might have been missunderstood and what the dude actually answered was 50% of the PPC but I don't know.

And it might be true that MOS and OS4 will be about the same but not in my eyes... I'm not into Amiga for the lightning fast this and that and incredible at the peak of tech this other stuff. I'm with the Amiga for the feeling and the little I've seen of MOS doesn't give me the feeling I get from AmigaOS.

[lempkee]

i can only laugh at this, this is just like amithlon was released , people saying it was 100 times faster than an 060 amiga....

i have tested it and it aint , teoretical yes its faster , but nothing works here for real benchmarks (usage) .. anyway its gotten better lately (last year ++)

then u have the uaE deals , why buy an amiga if u can use uae? as uae allready is so much faster than the 060, well i tried uae for this on a amd2600xp setup , and guess what i wasnt impressed at all...NOT AT ALL..
(speed was OK on maybe 10-15% of the stuff, os usage roxx like in amitlon but still it didnt feel like an amiga besides i hate to have millions of cfg files just so i could run what i do dayly...)


then we have the pegasos deal and its emu, sure it does work but the speed? , if thats running faster than a 060 then u need to wake up! , before it can run faster than a 060 u will need something to run on it..right+++?? and i am not talking about benchmarks etc as they mean nothing when it comes to the software catalogue, its like this.. on my amiga and my friends pc...SYSINFO works , but this doesnt mean i can run any 060 or old software on my setup anyway...now does it?.

sorry for flame but saying that brian was wrong and spreading fud aint a good deal unless u check it for real, anyway did u measure it in mips or mflops? (that it was faster than a 060 in the emu) , anyway i want uae on my amiga (OFCOURE)  or an jit emu so that i could run all my x stuff on the new amiga/pegasos but 1 thing is for sure i have tested it and i live not very far away from a pegasos user and i have alot of pc users around me , and the emu's atm is just not interesting atm.

also, to make a emu thats faster than a 060 would also mean that games like slamtilt would run in overdrive, this game was designed for 030 and this still doesnt run "PROPERLY" on an amd2600xp under uae, yes i know...games and prods are designed for special optimization etc.., and this is what i meant...

check MAME emu's for what i am saying, there is no prob in emulaing mame on a pc setup theese days, the mzh is wayyyyy high and so is the mem usage , whats the point in emulating anything if u have to make it 500000 times bigger+??+

sorry i dont get it... i will wait for something specifically optimized , and yeah...thats why i am an amiga user and not an pc user...

cheers (sorry for flame...was trying to force out a point)

[lempkee]

kubyx: profesissionalism???

yes its cheaper , ofcourse it is..it wouldnt have standed a chance unless (like they tried)

anyway PEGASOS is DEAD...finito , now u mustwait for pegasos 2 .... will it die??  ..then u must wait for pegasos 3 ? .. etc..


professionalism must NOT be mixed with genesi at all , take a look at grEXX boards , the stopped this production and closed all support for it after less than 1 year in use, if this is professionlism then i dont know, all i know is that i will never put  dime in this commpany again.

is professionlism something that has to be with loyalism or talking/throwing dir in the forums?

i just noticed that the word professionalism has to be changed in the dictionary.

anyway the choice is  yours , yes the pegasos is cheaper (BECAUSE ITS DEAD) , firewire doesnt work , sound ...does it work? etc..

anyway pegasos 2 will come , but do u really thrust em to keep making this hw 2 years still after u had bought it? , i wouldnt..

do you really thrust em that this will be 100% bug free hw? ...

if u do this and alot more, buy it ...
beyond that u get mos1.3 which is fairly nice indeed , and it has a emu/jit wich is faster than a 060 68k setup...
i have alot of friends who have choosed this path , i agree with them in many ways ...i do... but
there is some issues that is bothering me alot when it comes to loyalism and usage of money.

i wont buy something that might die just because the vendor/producer dont want to anymore.

(read my old posts before PEGASOS 1 was released to see that i wrote that back then aswell)

anyway good luck with your choice.

[meerschaum]

if your going to start slagging Genesi off as non-professional you might go to dictionary.com and look up the definition.

some things the Amiga.inc camp has done dont exactly fall into that catagory...but then again maybe the t-shirts,ceo debacle,auction,etc are all part of some 'bizzaro' world definition of what a pro is...

maybe their what you might call 'fatmouse' pro's... fatmouse dosent make things!...he makes them better!!!.. fatmouse dosent have an office...he makes the officer nicer?... fathouse dosent have a trademark he makes the trademark sparkle? fatmouse dosent have a t-shirt he makes the t-shirt wider? ... that kind of logic maybe?..... spoiling/waffle tactics with a dash of fatmouse and a big checkerball... sounds like a trip to a freak show to me