In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"

[redrumloa]

Page 27, answer to question 4


Amazing, isn't it? My opinion of Hyperion just went down a couple more notches and it wasn't that high to begin with :-x

[TheMagicM]

LOL.  I wish this was a movie.. there's so many twists and turns..friends turned to enemies.. etc.. LOLOL

 :popcorn:  :popcorn:

[Matt_H]

Given that AROS has been in development for a decade and is still barely functional, it's highly unlikely that it uses any stolen source code. We're getting into Lawyer Land with the use of the word "illegal" in that statement. If it doesn't infringe on code, is there anything else in AROS that could possibly be infringing? Who knows and who cares? The "probably" qualifier on the word suggests that Mr. Carlton doesn't really understand the situation. Besides, it's irrelevant to the current case.

My decision: Ignore.

[amigakid]

Yet another twist in the world of Amiga, gotta admit things never get boring here in Amiga Land  :-D  :-D  :-D  :rtfm:

[Tomas]

And these people expect support from the amiga community?
Hyperion: What exactly is illegal about Aros? Did you not even use parts of Aros for OS4?

[B00tDisk]

n/m - wasn't ben, was evert carton or carton evert or whatever he was a carton full of...

[uncharted]

IIRC back in the COSA days there was talk of use of Trademarks within the code being a potential hurdle to open source AmigaOS.  In particular things like the use of "Workbench screen" and "intuition".  That was one possible way that AROS could fall foul of Amiga Inc's lawyers.

However I did a quick check a few weeks back, and all of the trademarks that could potentially cause problems lapsed a long time ago, in many cases pre-Gateway.  So that should no longer be a threat.

[Piru]

"Workbench" - even though a registered trademark - can be used if it is required for interoperability. Basically it need to be, as applications can try to lock public screen called "Workbench". Similarily some older apps might strcmp the window->ScreenTitle to detect the Workbench screen, so IMO use of the it is legimate in this context, too.

Same goes for "intuition.library", it must be called that or the library cannot be found. Intuition isn't listed in the amiga trademarks, however, or at least i could not find it from my AmigaOS 3.5 manual.

[DonnyEMU]

It amazes me that anyone can say that the whole OS (except for EXEC possibly) that anything is original about the entire OS.. People have rewritten just about every part of the OS that was replaceable (even in Commodore's time), see Aminet and the Fish Disks for proof..

Considering that I wonder if anyone can really say that they "own" it.. If people assembled all of the replacement parts in public domain, they'd have a close to functional system as it was... Considering all the 3rd party items that I saw "included with 3.9" I'd have to say I have a hard time believing any of it.

[Brian]

A Cher lyric comes to mind...

"If I could turn back time (aah the early 90 was so sweet)
If I could find a way (fluxcapasitor?)
I'd take back those words that hurt you and you'd stay (trolling anyone?)

I don't know why I did the things I did (abandoning the Amiga for a few years late 90's)
I don't know why I said the things I said (PC was all I needed sure?)
Pride's like a knife it can cut deep inside (Who's is right who's wrong OS4 is his no hers)
Words are like weapons they wound sometimes. (In the courthouse words are the weapons)

I didn't really mean to hurt you I didn't wanna see you go I know I made you cry, but baby (Amiga is hurting by this but then...argh... it's a lyric.. not all words fits the bill)"

And with that song in my head I'll now draw back into a corner rocking back and forth saying "Amiga is ok, Classic is all I need" , "Amiga is ok, Classic is all I need" saying it like a mantra untill I fall asleep.

[Bobsonsirjonny]

Whats going on?

It all seems such a mess. I cant keep up with the court docs - too busy to read them all (work is an arse at the moment..)

Is there a concise thread that simply lists all the stuff thats come to light (a cut down version to save people having to dig through the court docs) - without comments from people - simply because its often hard to get to the info in threads because the discussions are often heated.

Oh - this is the first time I've posted on A.org in ages. I should post more.

[_ThEcRoW]

With that statement definitely Hyperion has lost any respect for my part and i begin to think that they aren't the professionals the claim to be.

[redrumloa]

Reading these court documents, it really makes me wonder.. They must know the kommunity is reading this junk. It almost seems as if they are at this point they are trying to do as much damage as possible to each other in the court of public opinion. Why? Why is this tiny kommunity suddenly important?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it;-)

[Floid]

redrumloa wrote:
Page 27, answer to question 4


Amazing, isn't it? My opinion of Hyperion just went down a couple more notches and it wasn't that high to begin with :-x

Heh.  Noticed that quote, but didn't pay attention to the source of it until now.  Obviously Hyperion has reason to want to play up OS4's legitimacy, I can barely read it as more than the 'not-so-secret Amiga handshake' wherein anyone negotiating is obliged to demonstrate their grave concern over intellectual property rights, yadda yadda...

That said, any questions of AROS's "legality" would seem to go back to the hazy MorphOS-type questions of who got to see source, when, and why, and Amiga Inc. are (supposedly) the ones restricting access to the AROS sources for review:

The AROS repository is running on a password protected SVN server, which means that you need to apply for access to it to be able to collaborate in the development. At the request of Amiga Inc., anonymous read-only access to the repository has been disabled.

...so if AInc. is satisfied with that roadblock/has come to such accomodation, and Hyperion never got to see (CBM/H&P) sources in the first place...  Well, like I said, standard Amiga business etiquette these days.

[Floid]

Hmm, I guess I also left out my feeling that "probably illegal" in this context more suggests 'Well, crap, neither of our companies could dare rely on it without fear of being sued into oblivion' than any sort of direct accusation.  

Sort of the way some still fear or denigrate Linux just in case there's some unauditable/unprovable bomb of a commit lurking back in its history.  (...though even then, removing the bomb should make it clean, though Linus and distributors might have some cointoss risk of liability, strongly dependent on knowledge and intent...)

Evert's not a native speaker, right?  That's a bit of a mess of a concept to express succinctly, especially when the object is a project you're 'competing' with.