PegasosIII should become the next high-end Amiga!

[AmiDelf]

I think that PegasosIII, if it comes out .. should be promoted as the next high-end Amiga. That would be so cool. Showing the PC and MAC world, that Amiga is capable of playing HDTV stuff, playing heavy 3D stuff etc+++ the ultimate home computer.

EFIKA is all ok, but EFIKA is no power pegasos horse. Its a nice gateway to Amiga for the external audience, but will only sell when MorphOS 1.5(2.0) is out for it.

I hope that bbrv gives the power to the people in all areas. Both for the community AND those not knowing about Amiga.

You may ask why Ive wrote Amiga and Pegasos in the same sentence? Well, I see it as a Amiga computer in that it feels like it. Amiga is more and more a community name for me, rather than a hardware machine. Amiga is a symbol of the community keeping these red and blue alive.



Thanks for keeping Amiga alive! -everyone !

[zephar123]

Its sad to because I was one of many stating hey need make os4 work on the Peg as its good hardware. Now amiga has no hardware and well peg has no OS. I would love see this situation improve in any respect.

[Karlos]

@AmiDelf

Amiga is more and more a community name for me, rather than a hardware machine.

In that case, I see your Peg III and raise you AROS on a Dual Quadcore. Or something :lol:

[Karlos]

zephar123 wrote:
Its sad to because I was one of many stating hey need make os4 work on the Peg as its good hardware. Now amiga has no hardware and well peg has no OS. I would love see this situation improve in any respect.

It's a logical combination but I can't help feeling that the people needed to make it happen have too much mutual antipathy. I'd love to be proven wrong though. Unfortunately, even if I were, amiga inc would be busy wrapping it up in so much red tape (if you pardon the pun)...

[shoggoth]

As usual - open source or die. It's the only way minority platforms stand a chance.

-- Peter

[Oli_hd]

As usual - open source or die. It's the only way minority platforms stand a chance.

Except every Amiga program that went open source has had no development continue with it, with the exception of AWeb, but thats more of a code cleanup than any major new feaetures.

[Tripitaka]

You can call "Amiga" what you like, it don't count for jack unless lawyers agree with you.  :rtfm:

@ shoggoth
Only way? I can't believe you used the word "only", this is the computer market buddy. NEVER use absolutes. :lol:

[Ranchu]

I really don't understand why so many Amigans pine for a PPC based platform.  Is it just to be different?

Developing a modernised Amiga compatible OS seems to be enough of a challenge without the added headache of developing a custom hardware platform for it also.  Why not take advantage of the x86's enormous marketshare, product range, unmatched desktop performance and commodity pricing?

The old arguments against x86 from back in the 80's and 90's don't apply anymore.  For example: -

- 32-bit protected mode, which virtually every modern OS/app now operates under, is quite sane and comparable to other architectures.

- The AMD K5 pioneered an instruction decoding front-end where complex x86 instructions are decoded into simple micro-instructions that are handled by the "RISC like" execution units.  This same technique was refined with the Pentium Pro (P6) and subsequent generations.  Although instruction decoding logic had a high overhead initially, this now accounts for minimal overall die space in recent generations.  Interestingly, other "RISC like" architectures have adopted similar approaches in recent years.

- Rename registers and caches are another technique designers have used to get around x86 architectural limitations.  In fact this can provide more effective than having a large number of general purpose registers (another characteristic of "RISC like" designs).

- SIMD extensions have effectively replaced the archaic stack-based x87 floating point unit in almost all cases.  SSE2/3 is a very good set of ISA extensions.

- Finally with x86-64 we have an excellent 64-bit implementation that addresses some of the other remaining architectural issues.  The number of general-purpose registers is doubled from 8 to 16 (all 64-bit wide naturally).  Incidentally, 16 registers seems to be an ideal compromise between having enough to perform most tasks quickly while still allowing reasonable context switching speeds.  Support for some remaining "legacy" features have been removed such as virtual mode and segmented addressing.

AROS on x86 seems like the "ideal" solution for Amigans.  An open source Amiga-like OS for the most powerful desktop hardware on the market.  If only more developers would get behind it!

[Flashlab]

IMHO if AROS proves anything it is that there's too little interest in an open source version of an Amiga like OS.

[sir_inferno]

i guess you could sell the pIII as the main computer, and efika as the media centre/mac mini equivalent thing

[shoggoth]

Oli_hd wrote:
Except every Amiga program that went open source has had no development continue with it, with the exception of AWeb, but thats more of a code cleanup than any major new feaetures.

So the Amiga platform is different in this aspect compared to other platforms?

AROS is free, it's open, it's aims to be compatible with the OS3.9 API, and it's reached a very advanced state. It runs on non-exotic hardware. It doesn't need to be bundled with oddball hardware, and anyone can participate in the development.

[AmiDelf]

AROS is to Linux alike in thinking. I think that Amiga users are dedicated users. It means that they love to be a part of a community. AROS dosent create that community, it tries to open it and make the Amiga community as loose as the PC community.

I think that Genesi should really go for PegasosIII, no matter what. It would give Genesi so much respect. Dual core 2GHz PPC Amiga!

Gettings users to the Amiga side is hard enough. Genesi will do that with EFIKA and MorphOS 2.0 released for it. But when the new ones seeks for better speeds, PegasosIII should be there, providing everyone a fast and full 1080p HDTV ready system.

Come on bbrv! You can do this,.. If you work with the community as you say, you should do it.

[EvilGuy]

shoggoth wrote:
It runs on non-exotic hardware. It doesn't need to be bundled with oddball hardware, and anyone can participate in the development.

Then AROS clearly isn't aiming to be Amiga-like :-D

[dammy]

IMHO if AROS proves anything it is that there's too little interest in an open source version of an Amiga like OS.

Which of course means closed source bolted onto specific hardware is doomed.  Which is what has happened.

Dammy

[dammy]

AROS is to Linux alike in thinking. I think that Amiga users are dedicated users. It means that they love to be a part of a community. AROS dosent create that community, it tries to open it and make the Amiga community as loose as the PC community.

AROS is in current active porting to EFIKA and x86_64 with a hope for ARM in the future.  EFIKA maybe a winner for Genesi, however I don't see Peg3 going anywhere.  If the desktop doesn't have bang:buck ratio of AMD64, you better have an amazing perk (like EFIKA) or show me a sub $500 notebook/subnotebook.  Othewise your just wasting people's time.

As far as AROS not having a community, don't tell the folks on AROS-Exec.org that.  Else they will mock you for not having a clue.

Dammy