WHEN WILL "AMIGA" FIX THE VIDEO PROBLEM !

[amigite]

There is no way we can move into the future before somebody who claims they own the Amiga fixes the video problem.  What problem? No MODERN MONITORS WORK WITH THE EXISTING MACHINES.

Novel at the time. Have the machines work with television sets. It is 2007 we need to have Amiga solve this problem.  Commission a company to either engineer a new video chip with XVGA output or have someone build a proper flicker fixer/scan doubler.  We as an amiga community should not have to be wiring hacks of scart, VGA adapters, etc just to see our display.  TV was a bad idea, NOW FIX IT!

[Flashlab]

Relax and stop screaming (CAPS)!

Old Amigas can already be used with VGA monitors with scandoublers.
New computers from Amiga (if they ever get released) will work with standard monitors because they'll have standard hardware.

I think you know this already so I don't really get your post.

[SamuraiCrow]

Any Amiga with a graphics card including the AmigaOne series can hook up to a VGA monitor with no problems.  The Amiga chip-sets are dying out in favor of PC-style graphics chips anyway.  All that's left of the Amiga is the operating system.

Keep in mind that one of the main features of the Amiga was its use in professional video production which required a good PAL/NTSC genlocking feature.  The TV-out features of modern graphics cards suck.

Also, the low-end Amigas used to be considered game-systems by most people and the TV was a good fit there too.

[c64_d0c]

:lol: amiga inc will never fix any classic amigas, but there is a few things you can do..pick one...

1. get an graphic card(there are a few out there for the amiga)
2. get a scart/s-video cabel
3. make your own hw solution for the problem, and sell to others and make millions
4. start praying that other will do it for you

enjoy...
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c64_d0c wrote:
4. start praying that other will do it for you

...

I'm working on it... RGB analog to Y-Pb-Pr component converter...

[guru-666]

LOL, who is amiga and what do you expect them to do? Commodore went out of business back in 94, sorry I don't think they are going to release a patch anytime soon. LOL

Look just go buy a scan doubler (if you can find one) and remember this is retro computing dood.

[GreggBz]

Really, our best bet is to petition IBM to alter the XGA standard. Once they've developed a 15kHz horizontal synchronization provision (they can use the same high-density d-sub connector, we use an adapter that's OK) OEM manufacturers such as Sony, ViewSonic, ATI and Nvidia, will surely follow.



 :-P

[Ross1]

I think you have to remember that the Amiga was designed to work with video and because of this they went the Pal/NTSC route.
PC's have never done video well even to this day I can run circles around most PC video editing software programs with my A4000 Video toaster. Unless your willing to buy the big ticket video editing packages that cost over $8000 you wont come close. I use a Toastscan flicker fixer and that works great with a PC monitor unfortunately LCD monitors look poor as the Amiga uses the NTSC resolution.  

[Gaiyan]

Ross1 wrote:
I think you have to remember that the Amiga was designed to work with video and because of this they went the Pal/NTSC route.
PC's have never done video well even to this day I can run circles around most PC video editing software programs with my A4000 Video toaster. Unless your willing to buy the big ticket video editing packages that cost over $8000 you wont come close. I use a Toastscan flicker fixer and that works great with a PC monitor unfortunately LCD monitors look poor as the Amiga uses the NTSC resolution.  

Except that analogue video editing is pretty much dead these days...

guru-666 wrote:
LOL, who is amiga and what do you expect them to do? Commodore went out of business back in 94, sorry I don't think they are going to release a patch anytime soon. LOL

Look just go buy a scan doubler (if you can find one) and remember this is retro computing dood.

I just don't get it guys... A scandoubler/flickerfixer is an outrageously expensive solution. It is complex, cumbersome and most of the time, in the case of AGA, it does a lousy job because it is internally limited to 15 bit.

Since about 2000, I recognised the fact that electrically, Y-Pb-Pr and analog RGB are just about the same thing except, Y-Pb-Pr conveys the red and blue channel in a differential manner.

The first time I saw component video on a large TV, what first struck me is that the color gamut was as wide as that of the Amiga and for a while I tought component was the same as RGB.

Converting from one to the other amounts to fooling around with cheap high speed op-amps.

Once that's done, your Amiga has the same type of output as the average DVD player and then all that's needed is a flat panel TV to get rid of the flicker and you can probably buy that at the corner store by now.

[skurk]

amigite wrote:
There is no way we can move into the future before somebody who claims they own the Amiga fixes the video problem.  What problem? No MODERN MONITORS WORK WITH THE EXISTING MACHINES.

Yeah!  I have the same problem with my C64, when will Commodore fix THAT?

[guru-666]

@eslapion
yes sure thats a good solution, you should sell the adaptors.
(BTW you are not alone in this "discovery" ther are a few threads here that talk about it.)
For me this a mute point as I use gfx cards.  I am lucky I have a picasso IV with built in SD/FF not interested in tv output.... have the toaster/flyer/par for that.
 just get a picassoIV and forget about this stuff.

skurk wrote:

Yeah!  I have the same problem with my C64, when will Commodore fix THAT?

The solution to this one is even easier. The luma and chroma signal coming from a C64 are EXACTLY the same as those called Y/C in an s-video cable...

For about 10$, you can get a Commodore compatible 8pin DIN to s-video connector on eBay nowadays.

[skurk]

eslapion wrote:
For about 10$, you can get a Commodore compatible 8pin DIN to s-video connector on eBay nowadays.

(I was making a joke, but thanks for the tip anyways )

[Ross1]

Gaiyan wrote:
Except that analogue video editing is pretty much dead these days...

As soon as the video enters the Amiga it is digital. Analogue video if transfered using a good quality cable loses very little and looks very good dumped to DVD. Remember that The Toaster is D2 quality.