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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #14 from previous page: May 03, 2007, 04:22:25 PM »
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what you wanna do is go see your doctor. get yerself signed off sick for stress.
either that, or meet with the managers and explain in no uncertain terms your feelings. you have to stand up for yourself sometimes !


Yes, definitely.  Make sure it says "work induced/related stress" on your sick note mind.

Also go to see a union and get some advice from them about your legal rights as an employee.
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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2007, 04:27:57 PM »
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We do not have a union. I suspect the company which took us over already has staff who can do our job so we are now surplus to requirements. And it is better for them to "encourage" us to resign than to pay redundancy to get rid of us.

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Your company does not have to recognise your union.  You are legally entitled to be a member of a union though, and have the right to have a union rep represent you in meetings at work.

It might be worth adding that if 50% + one person who do a job that is the same then the company has to legally recognise the union.

4 programmers only you say?  If three of you join then the company can do feck all about it and the union will take great pleasure in forcing the company to abide by employment laws to the letter.  Recognition will be forced upon them in the courts if need be. :lol:
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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2007, 08:10:14 PM »
Thanks for all the advice. I actually received an email today from a contracting agency letting me know about a vacancy. I've sent them my CV so hopefully I will be invited for an interview. I'll keep you posted :-)

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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2007, 11:52:34 PM »
Having been in a similar situation many years ago, I feel for you dude. I was quite young and naive at the time so they basically walked all over me. I didn't have the knowledge or the Wontons to stand up for myself. Eventually I started to become ill quite often and I started having nightmares about work, it was at that point that I handed them my notice, it felt great.
 

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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2007, 12:33:25 AM »
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Thanks for all the advice. I actually received an email today from a contracting agency letting me know about a vacancy. I've sent them my CV so hopefully I will be invited for an interview. I'll keep you posted :-)

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that's really the best revenge.

The bottom line is that many employers are incompent boobs.

I am very picky about who I work with and that's one reason I'm not rich.   :lol:

But I have been lucky enough to work with incredible people. They are out there and it's worth the time to find them. When you go for interviews they best way to handle that is to interview THEM to make sure THEY are worthy of YOU. seriously.
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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2007, 05:31:27 PM »
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When you go for interviews they best way to handle that is to interview THEM to make sure THEY are worthy of YOU. seriously.


Well said! Most employers act as though they are doing you a favour by employing you. The fact is that they need YOU to earn their money for them. As you leave an interview say politely "Thanks, I'll let you know if I'm interested in the position"  :pint:


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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2007, 06:12:35 PM »
@A4K_Mad
Yes, despite being a lowly proletariat I will not bow to the whim of the bourgoisie overlord! :lol:

This situation is getting worse now. It's looking like contractors are being brought in on "long term contracts", though I seriously suspect that it is a surrepticious cross-training exercise so they can get rid of us (suits me, though I won't cooperate by training anybody!)

It's starting to affect our friendships too now. Two members of the team are not talking to each other, and we're all best friends :cry:

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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2007, 08:47:44 PM »
@Moto

I understand exactly your frustration here. Our dev team has dwindled from a peak total of 12 people in 2 teams to 5 people in one team. Two of those will be gone within another week.
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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2007, 04:52:12 PM »
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When you go for interviews they best way to handle that is to interview THEM to make sure THEY are worthy of YOU. seriously.


Well said! Most employers act as though they are doing you a favour by employing you. The fact is that they need YOU to earn their money for them. As you leave an interview say politely "Thanks, I'll let you know if I'm interested in the position"  :pint:


'Cause that doesn't sound arrogant at all. Perhaps if you're so specialised that you're without competition in the field, that approach works.

Bottom line is for the majority of people, they have you by the balls because you need the money.

Good luck Moto!
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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2007, 09:56:20 PM »
@ moto

Just wondering how things are now mate?


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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2007, 11:30:18 PM »
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Thanks for all the advice. I actually received an email today from a contracting agency letting me know about a vacancy. I've sent them my CV so hopefully I will be invited for an interview. I'll keep you posted :-)

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that's really the best revenge.

The bottom line is that many employers are incompent boobs.

I am very picky about who I work with and that's one reason I'm not rich.   :lol:

But I have been lucky enough to work with incredible people. They are out there and it's worth the time to find them. When you go for interviews they best way to handle that is to interview THEM to make sure THEY are worthy of YOU. seriously.
LOL! Exactly!
'twas for me a kinda natural to be curious whether the job's the right one for me, so, to figure out whether I want the job or not. It made the discussion alive, so to say. :-)
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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2007, 12:37:10 AM »
Moto, you have my sympathy.
Long story short - been in similar situation, made me ill to the point of not being able to work for a while - and I swore I'd never go into a similar position.
Two years later I went to Uni, got an Engineering degree (graduated last summer) and am now in a good job with excellent employers (that's not to say there is no pressure and no problems, but the support is there if needed).

The lesson I learned is that no job is worth making yourself ill over - you are doing no favours to yourself, your employer, your customers or your colleagues by overworking to the point of burning out.
If your employer has made a strategic decision to cut staff at the expense of service then - and this sounds harsh - let the service levels drop. It's crap for your customers, and a bit demoralising for yourself and your colleagues - also it dents your professional pride, but it's the only way that strategic level management will realise that they can't just cut the staff and expect the rest of you to work double hard to keep things going.

A question: if you mananged to work your colelctive a55e5 off for the next year, to the point of all four of you burning out, but you managed to keep the service levels up - do you expect your managers would:
a) Say "Thanks guys, have a payrise, and we're increasing your team back up to 8 to take the strain off you. aLso we appreaciate the effort you've put in - have an extra week's holiday - it's on us!"
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b) Say "Four staff can adequately cope with the workload therefore there is no need to spend money on more staff."

I would STRONGLY recommend the four of you have a meeting outside of work to discuss the situation and how you are going to deal with it. If you do not talk about it, the most likely thing is that all of you will feel under pressure to work as hard as possible so as not to cause hardship to your colleagues. This will just create stress (already experienced by yourself) and resentment (experienced by your two colleagues falling out).

PS - I ended up walking out, feeling crap about leaving my colleagues in the lurch, but knowing that if I'd stayed I would have become seriously ill.

Best of luck Moto - I hope it works out for you, but I wouldn't expect any help from the upper echelons.

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Re: Can't take any more!
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2007, 12:24:39 AM »
Sound advice from Boot_WB, especially the letting drop of the service levels.
Everyone you speak to to these days seems to be in a similar positon to varying degrees as yourself.
Yet all these companies seem to be making bigger profits each year and the top end management seem to get bigger bonuses each year.
I suspect the management on the lower rungs are not quick to pass on the realities of the situation up the chain.
Probably because they are either under pressure themselves, want to look good by not making waves or appearing weak.
Well that's their problem and also their fault that the workers below are suffering.
Let them rant and rave, it will be their heads on the block for letting the situation deteriorate.
Being on the receiving end might teach some of them a bit more about the benefits of soladarity.