Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga

[voxel]

Reason # 1 : For all the reasons quoted by stopthegop :-)

Reason # 2 : No needs to change all the hardware each time you want to use that or this software ;

Reason # 3 : no collusion between the motherboard makers and the main OS developper for constantly rising the needs of the OS to force the users to neverendingly buy new computers several times a year, making them cash fountain ;

Reason # 4 : no needs to wear an armored pants when you go to buy software for it ;-) ;

Reason # 5 : after 22 years I'm still in love and still haven't found better/cooler/smarter computer/OS than my Amigas :-)

[bloodline]

mikrucio wrote:
@ bloodline

is that why you got a box of logic pro (mac) as your avatar?

Yup, Logic Pro 7.2 is the most amazing music production software I've ever used!

it's ok man I use logic aswell. and nothing on the market comes close to it. if there was logic on the amiga. id def use  it. but since Apple bought emagic years ago. thats not gonna happen.

Well, I like to use OctaMED as I find it a more natural way to compose... and it's great for getting percusion loops together.

Also I like to sample stuff using the Amiga and get a real 8bit grit sound that you simply can not get with bitcrushers.

[Tenacious]

WARNING: Pointless meandering rant follows. It's not aimed at anyone in particular.

It's an imperfect world and all machines have pros and cons, the Amiga included.

What I don't get is the ppl who responded negatively (some with sarcasm) to this thread.  I understand that there are real limitations (Look how far we've come, though.) and there are things that can't be done.  No one denies the latest web standards get lost in IBrowse, or that Mp3s require more horsepower than was originally supplied, or that no one is porting the latest video codecs.  But, it is amazing what has been done!  What other 20 year old machines allow ppl to do what we can?

Don't mis-understand, I prefer grounded realism to the notion that if we just go door-to-door, we can convince ppl to buy more Amigas. Grin.  This is a special interest site. What is the common thread that ties us together?  Rebellion against the tyranny of MS, fantasy, the Video Toaster, an elegant OS, ppl tragically caught in a time-warp? The only place I can share my enthusiasm for this computer is here.  The rest of the world has moved on (in my humble opinion, many followed the piper).  Anyway, in many threads like this one, there is usually someone who sound angry, negative, defeatist, etc, always quick to point out the much greener pasture on another platform. An interesting question for me is why do those people persist?

[Doppie1200]

Tenacious wrote:
What I don't get is the ppl who responded negatively (some with sarcasm) to this thread.  

I do understand. Its probably for a reason the same as why I post so rarely to a thread like this.

What I dont get is why people keep asking for the so well known route. Save Amiga, Amiga future, Conquer the world and so on....Stop it already. We should write some bots to generate the regular answers. Bots that can even have a good flamewar together while they're at it. It the same cheese over and over.

To sum it up; Commodore Amiga went bankrupt a loooong time ago and nothing spectacular has happened since. Some are still waiting for something that supposedly was announced but those are the ones with real patience. Today it is hobbyism that counts!

No, my view is about the same as James'. You are right, alot has been achieved with so little. But really, Amiga is an old horse. You can like the tinker value it has. You can like the use of your old software. You can like the 'free' software that is available. But it is still an old horse.
But even old horses have drivers (I should know I drive an old vw beetle). I just dont think the Amiga has a killer app any longer that would flock people to the stores to get one. Therfor selling one to you might be a bit troublesome.

You are visiting this forum. So to me, and perhaps to you, the most interesting point of sale would be the tinker value. Some now and then nice hardware/software rolls by and if you like the real hardware you have something to play with.

[Karlos]

bloodline wrote:

Well, I like to use OctaMED as I find it a more natural way to compose... and it's great for getting percusion loops together.

I love OctaMED. Trackers are just so intuitive I tend to find.

Also I like to sample stuff using the Amiga and get a real 8bit grit sound that you simply can not get with bitcrushers.

Paula is such a dirty girl :-D Beyond the basic fact it's 8-bit, partially it's the total lack of any antialiasing filters and partially the non-linear amplitude response. Actually, even 14-bit sounds fabulously lo-fi on there too.

[bloodline]

Karlos wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Well, I like to use OctaMED as I find it a more natural way to compose... and it's great for getting percusion loops together.

I love OctaMED. Trackers are just so intuitive I tend to find.

Yeah... butthat's only because we grew up with them... I learned music with trackers and a megalosound sampler... :-)

Also I like to sample stuff using the Amiga and get a real 8bit grit sound that you simply can not get with bitcrushers.

Paula is such a dirty girl :-D Beyond the basic fact it's 8-bit, partially it's the total lack of any antialiasing filters and partially the non-linear amplitude response. Actually, even 14-bit sounds fabulously lo-fi on there too.

Yeah, I think the nonlinear nature of her DACs actually help to improve the quality (if not the fidelity) of the low resolution sound... I was never impressed with paula 14bit audio (even though I wrote my own sub ranging algorithm back in the day...). The Amiga did have the advantage that, you could sample at 80Khz which did actually help the quality somewhat...

Actually I still like to use my Roland W-30 because of it's 12bit DACs (not to mention it's beatufitul filters...)

[Tenacious]

Yes, your sig does look like a beetle.  Grin.

Just to say it again, I find the call to "..re-energize the community and re-take the #3 platform position.." tiresome, too.   I'm content to continue as I have (tinkering, hobby-ing, etc) and reconciled that most of the world does not share my opinion of cool computing.

IMHO, the computing world has slowed (Is the latest Windows a quantum leap beyond 95?  Or the Amiga, for that matter?). There has been incremental progress and innovation, but, nothing evolutionary has happened sinse 1985 (Ok, the Web is life-changing, but, that's not a platform).

Maybe, if I were heavily into gaming or networking or living on the web, I'd feel differently.

@Doppie1200

I see your point.  This gets stirred up too often.

[Fester]

nbarnes wrote:
I WANT to use it (for reasons that escape me)
Could somebody summarize it's good points?

Personally, I just enjoy tinkering.

I can't believe I read all the posts in this thread.

There's more cheese here.

Fester

[Tenacious]

This is the first time I've seen "cheese" used like this.  Erno, did you invent new slang?  GRIN

[stopthegop]

James wrote:

I find in incredibly funny when people call Windows "The PC".

I wasn't referring to windows in general in that context.  I meant it just like I said it:  "The" PC refers to "the" PC I happen to own.  Sorry if you misunderstood my use of a singular possesive pronoun.  

[mikrucio]

lol i think we need our own thread.

[stopthegop]

You know.. there are other options besides Windows.

Thats true, I could use MacOS or any of the other hundreds of mutations of Unix floating around out there.  So you're right in that there are at least some options with regard to what software I want to use.  The problem is all these "choices" run on the same crap hardware, for which there are few if any alternatives.  No matter what OS I might go with, the liklihood that I'll end up with x86 compatible PC hardware is almost a 100% certainty.  

Your suggestion of this rich variety of "choices" in computing is only partially correct.  Its sort of like when I travelled to Norway a few years ago and found that Norweigans like to make everything[/b] out of cod fish.  I hate, hate, hate, hate...fish!  *YUK*.  Can't stand it.  So I'd order a Burger, figuring that was safe.  Wrong.  Fish-Burgers!  *GAG*   Pizza?  Nope, fish-pizza.  You name it... Fish-sticks, fish-pops, fish-snaps, fish-cakes, fish-cicles, fish, fish, fish..  

Its sort of like that buying computers now, too.  Sure, take any OS you want, but, like it or not, you're pretty much stuck with x86.


EDIT: No offense to fellow Norweigans.    I might be the only Norweigan who hates both seafood and cold weather.    

[Doppie1200]

Tenacious wrote:
This is the first time I've seen "cheese" used like this.  Erno, did you invent new slang?  GRIN

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Long lives tinkering power!

Yes, I am guilty! I must admit rebuilding an Amiga 3000 desktop from the motherboard up was a very rewarding experience.

Amiga does have a huge amount of attractive tinkeringness.

[LaserBack]

Top 5 reasons to persist with the miggy

1:you are an idiot
2:you live in the past
3:your intelectual coefficient is like a simian
4:you can't accept that the amiga is dead
5:you haven't social life or a true life...get one


bye Laser

[Fransexy_]

LaserBack wrote:
Top 5 reasons to persist with the miggy

1:you are an idiot
2:you live in the past
3:your intelectual coefficient is like a simian
4:you can't accept that the amiga is dead
5:you haven't social life or a true life...get one


bye Laser

I would want to know what are you doing here  :roll: