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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2007, 05:40:42 PM »
Yeah,,,  time will tell if OS4 and the new hardware can capture the same magic that classic Amiga have.

I have been playing with the idea of having an OS4 machine. Would I use it seriously?

No, not at all sadly :lol:

But it would be cool to see Workbench on a faster CPU. I just wonder if you will be able to run MWB on it. It seems soon the PPC port for classic Amiga will be ready and I will try it out then :-)
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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2007, 06:35:22 PM »
Well, if you marry, your wife will get old and ugly. There will be many pretty young ladies, with big CPUs and modded towers, a lot better than she is or was. But you will still love her and have good time with her.

So, keep using Amiga is you still want to :-D
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2007, 06:37:02 PM »
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if you don't mean as a primary computer, sure there are reasons to use the Amiga.


Depends on the definition of "primary".  For most computing tasks, the Amiga is my first choice.  This would include creating spreadsheets, writing small C programs, designing an extension for my garage, writing and/or publishing an article, building resumes, document layout, doing taxes, creating presentations, freehand drawing, building PLC, robotics or home-automation systems, writing arexx scripts, image editing, CD or DVD burning, etc, etc..  I personally find the overhead and bloat and overall offensiveness of WindowsOS to be a burden when performing these tasks.  Granted, there are some undeniable limitations of an Amiga that require me to own a Windows PC as a secondary computer.  If I want to play a DVD or use the win32 Citrix client for my job, then I have to hold my nose and boot the PC.  The Amiga is a great computer and I have no intention of ever selling it.  The PC, on the other hand, is utterly disposable;  I'll have a new one from my company probably before Thanksgiving.  Therefore, I do consider the Amiga as my "primary" computer.      
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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2007, 07:17:49 PM »
stopthegop says:

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James says:

Top 5 reasons to get OS4:
1- You are tech-oriented and would like to fiddle with a new toy and contribute little snippets of code to try to bring the OS up to par with the rest.

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Well, if you marry, your wife will get old and ugly. There will be many pretty young ladies, with big CPUs and modded towers, a lot better than she is or was. But you will still love her and have good time with her.

Too funny!   :-P
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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2007, 07:42:27 PM »
A big one that rarely gets mentioned in these threads is the the word "modular".  AmigaOS is a modular design with respect to both hardware and software, which is an indicator of quality.  Basically it means you don't have to go buy a new computer to "handle" whatever OS microsoft is hawking this week.  By no perversion of the english language can a Windows PC be described as "modular".    
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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2007, 08:02:27 PM »
there are none other than if you simply perfer the amiga style or some how are still running old software that does what you need well. (toaster)
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2007, 08:06:50 PM »
@stopthegop
You know.. there are other options besides Windows. I find in incredibly funny when people call Windows "The PC". Things come in more than one variety. I'd like to see your grocery list...

To buy this week:
The Meat
The Fruit
The Drink
The Bread

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2007, 08:11:43 PM »
At the end of the day, it's a preference. Do you need to justify everything you do just to do it?

I have PCs running Windows/Linux etc. If I want to do any serious work I'll use them as needed. If I want to actually have some fun, I'll use one of the amigas*

*not that I ever have the time these days :-(
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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2007, 01:19:18 AM »
I use my Amiga earlier in the day, not at the end, I find that I'm often too tired. Tired enough that I make these kind of jokes.. see? ;)

There's still a lot of juice in the Amiga. But if we're to be remotely honest with ourselves, we keep on using them because we love them so much, not because they do anything all that special anymore.

Just scored another Amiga today, and it comes with a genlock! Never had one of those...so many hours of geekin' it up awaits me! :D
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2007, 02:15:24 AM »
Reason number..what are we up to?
 
It is my alternative to the other computing philosifies.  

The machine is mine and has no allegance to anyone other than me.  (no spyware and corporate prying)

It is the machine/OS that I enjoy using.  

If I had the ability to design a computer and OS, I would largely do it the way the Amiga is.

Love the Ram Disk

It is not engineered to protect me from me, there are usually multiple ways to get something done.

The OS is simple and easly "knowable".

No silly-a55ed registry or desktop file!

There is a kind of scalability. I can run a small system from a RAD: drive OR a big system from a HD.

The Amiga is my main machine.  Other, commonly available computers, fill in the gaps.  I never started using the Amiga for fashion's sake back in the day, obviously, I still don't.

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I liked your post.
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2007, 02:33:44 AM »
After-thought

Not that this matters to me, but, the Amiga is still unique.  As I said in another thread, over time, the Amiga will become more collectable and sought-after.

A few OSes had a similar streamlining (BEOS, QNX, etc), but they never achieved the same following or critical mass
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2007, 03:41:21 AM »
@ bloodline

is that why you got a box of logic pro (mac) as your avatar?
it's ok man I use logic aswell. and nothing on the market comes close to it. if there was logic on the amiga. id def use  it. but since Apple bought emagic years ago. thats not gonna happen.
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2007, 06:28:34 AM »
Generally, I have to agree with James that the most common applications are much easier and cheaper to get done on a PC.

However, there are some niche specialized industrial applications where it could have an edge over the PC. For example, a used Video toaster 4000 system today is a much cheaper solution than any equivalent on the PC. It works great too.

I know ETS (Université du Québec's engineering School) went on using the toaster 4000 until 1993.

I am considering buying Turbo Print for the Amiga as a raster image processor for Postscript color printing. There aren't any equivalent easily available at a similar cost on the PC that I know of.
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2007, 04:38:41 PM »
>Amiga doesn't do anything that can't be done faster, >easier and better on other platforms at the moment. So no, >there are no reasons to persist.

Not true in all cases.  Some applications are easier, better, and work great on the Ataris and Amigas in their original state.  If you speed them up, they work worse since for them the accuracy of timing is more significant.

I am posting some code here for Atari 400 which is about 30 year old machine but the this code shows a timer interrupt that has more accuracy than a PC timer.  Similar code can be written for Amiga which has even a more accurate timer than an Atari 400, but if the PC can't even do this it follows it can't do the Amiga timing.  You can use the cable on auction to boot this code directly from your PC:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=320102924004
EDIT: Bad link; working link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320104919302

or you can compile it in your own 6502 Assembler and write it to a 5.25" floppy disk.  This code sets a timer interrupt to change some register at the 131st scan line at the beginning of the scan line and then undoes the change after some arbitrary color clocks before the scan line ends.  I am changing the color here for visual purposes, but it can be any other memory location depending on the application.  You can use DLIs (copper list interrupts on Amiga), but then we would be comparing apples and oranges.  Here the comparison would be just between timers:

;*** Test timer accuracy on Atari 400/800 by Krishna Software Inc. without using DLIs.
      TIMERFREQLSB = 53760
      TIMERFREQMSB = 53762
      WSYNC = 54282
      VCOUNT = 54283

      DOSVEC = 10
      CASINI = 2
      WARMSTART = 58484
      VMIRQ = 534   ;hardware irq ptr

      ORG = 600h  
      ;DW 0FFFFh
      ;DW StartAdr
      ;DW LastOffset-1
      DB   0,3   ;# of sectors to load 1..255
      DW   ORG
      DW   StartAdr
      Rts
StartAdr:          Lda       #MyReset,L
      Sta       CASINI
      Lda       #MyReset,H
      Sta       CASINI+1
      Lda        #0
      Sta   580
      Lda       #2
      Sta       9
      Jmp       WARMSTART
MyReset:           Lda       #2
      Sta       9
      Lda       #MyReset,L
      Sta       CASINI
      Lda       #MyReset,H
      Sta       CASINI+1
      Sei
      Lda   #0      ;no VBIs nor DLIs for maximum performance
      Sta   54286
      Sta   53774      ;disable all IRQs
      Sta   54272      ;turn off screen
      Lda       #TimerTwoIRQ,L   ;general IRQ routine but we use only for timer #2
      Sta       VMIRQ
      Lda       #TimerTwoIRQ,H
      Sta       VMIRQ+1
      Lda       #80  ;40 for join channels 3,4; +80 for channels 1+2 @1.79Mhz
      Sta       53768   ;join channels at 1.79 Mhz
      Lda       #165   ;lsb 165
      Sta       53760   ;timer #2 freq = 1789790/[A+1]
      Lda       #116   ;msb for rate divisor A
      Sta       53762
      Lda   #2     ;2=timer interrupt
      Sta       53774       ;enable IRQ #2
NotMidScreen:   Lda   VCOUNT
      Cmp   #65
      Bne   NotMidScreen
      Sta   WSYNC
      Sta       53769   ;start timer counter
      CLI
      Lda       #34
      Sta       54272
IdleLoop:      ;put your code here
      Jmp   IdleLoop

TimerTwoIRQ:          Pha
      Lda   #255
      Sta   53272   ;change register (like color for example)
      Lda       #0   
      Sta       53774
      Lda       #2   
      Sta       53774   ;send ack to timer irq
      Nop
      Nop
      Lda   #96
      Sta   53272   ;change register (like color for example)
      Pla    
      Rti

;LastOffset:   DW 2e0h,2e1h,ORG
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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2007, 04:56:12 PM »
1. Guru Meditation
2. Cleaning corroded traces is so more fun than doing needle point
3. Amiga community websites, without them I wouldn't know half what I do about the Xbox360/ps3/Wii
4. Gotta love the drive click
5. Memory protection is overrated
 

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Re: Top 5 reasons for persisting with Amiga
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 17, 2007, 05:42:12 PM »
Reason # 1 : For all the reasons quoted by stopthegop :-)

Reason # 2 : No needs to change all the hardware each time you want to use that or this software ;

Reason # 3 : no collusion between the motherboard makers and the main OS developper for constantly rising the needs of the OS to force the users to neverendingly buy new computers several times a year, making them cash fountain ;

Reason # 4 : no needs to wear an armored pants when you go to buy software for it ;-) ;

Reason # 5 : after 22 years I'm still in love and still haven't found better/cooler/smarter computer/OS than my Amigas :-)
Amigalement,
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