PS3 port thread

[eniac]

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS. with no graphics acceleration its not going to be a very powerful computer....and what about perihperals?
keyboard, mouse, game pads? what about a blu-ray burner?
people here have been saying - things like "people will be able to DO SOMETHING"....like what? and one person even said "it will be a powerful new amiga with a 3.5 ghz processer",  but with no graphics acceleration, whats the point....
if the PS3 port supporters can give me a SOLID reason for installing it on a PS3 then ill jump aboard. if you cant then you should start realizing how much more effective a x86 port would be....

I'll give you a clue...

Even if I have no PS3 and I no intention of buying one ever... when Commodore sold the Amiga 3000, they were still selling the 500 and afterwards, the 600.

And when they sold the 4000, they were still selling the 1200 as well...

[jorkany]

It IS pretty funny that some people don't seem to understand what the PS3 is a game console. I'm sure they are the same people who have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

jorkany wrote:
It IS pretty funny that some people don't seem to understand what the PS3 is a game console. I'm sure they are the same people who have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

Indeed. And while I was doing DTP on an Amiga 2000 equipped with a fusion forty back in 1992, was there anything wrong that my neighboor had a 500 with no hard drive and used it almost exclusively for playing lemmings?

Same machine, different setup with different usage in mind...

[jorkany]

Indeed. And while I was doing DTP on an Amiga 2000 equipped with a fusion forty back in 1992, was there anything wrong that my neighboor had a 500 with no hard drive and used it almost exclusively for playing lemmings?

If you had been doing DTP on a Sega Genesis you might have a point. Try this little experiment, go to your local electronics big box store and ask people who appear interested in the PS3 if they plan to use it as a computer or a game console. Let us know what kind of answers you get.

[Piru]

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS

Topic Thread: Linux on Playstation 3 looks good...

[JoannaK]

Piru wrote:

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS

Topic Thread: Linux on Playstation 3 looks good...

With current 'level' of 3d gfx-chip drivers Mos and OS4 offer it would not matter much anyhow.. Unless of course someone starts daydreaming about miraciously receiving full Chip docs and example driver source from Nvidia/Sony.

jorkany wrote:

Indeed. And while I was doing DTP on an Amiga 2000 equipped with a fusion forty back in 1992, was there anything wrong that my neighboor had a 500 with no hard drive and used it almost exclusively for playing lemmings?

If you had been doing DTP on a Sega Genesis you might have a point. Try this little experiment, go to your local electronics big box store and ask people who appear interested in the PS3 if they plan to use it as a computer or a game console. Let us know what kind of answers you get.

I'm sorry to have to disappoint you but just about everyone who bought the Amiga 500 back in 1992 intended to use it as a game machine. People who wanted more than that bought the 2000 or the 3000.

Pretty much the same applies to the 1200 vs the 4000.

Perhaps there are some games that require more keys than there are buttons on an Xbox or PS controller and so some games are reserved to computer users but people who use them remain... gamers.

[Plaz]

one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS. with no graphics acceleration its not going to be a very powerful computer....and what about perihperals?

Like every other "lock down", I think some one could eventually crack and access the accelerated features given enough time and information. But the rest of the world isn't going to take OS4 on PS3 seriously unless Sony themselfs promote it. Fat chance of that of course. So what's left is a few hundred Amiga technoids who might be interested. No serious project is going to invest time/money in to that.

AROS and MorphOS have a more realistic chance of getting ported to PS3 I think. Especially AROS since it's an open project. But to throw reality back in, who has time?

have a kitchen drawer full of bent butter knives from using them as screwdrivers.

:lol: ... hey wait a sec...what are you doing my kitchen! It's far too messy for company right now.


Plaz

[keropi]

I wish ppl would stop polluting the forums with imaginary ps3 ports and similar wish-threads...  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[koaftder]

The ps3 makes for a crappy computer, 128mb ram and chock full of lockdown. Xbox and wii, no better. High performance computers already exist, they are called pcs and macs. A free and open source amiga OS already exists, and it's not run by idiots, it's called AROS. I'm on the dev mailing list, it's been blowing up my mail box with activity for the past 6 months.

With all the AmiDream posts I've been reading for years, its shocking that AROS doesn't get the love it deserves. It's the AmigaOS that runs on platforms that already exist. No dongles, no weird hardware, and most importantly, no freaking corporation to drive it into the ground.

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[Tigger]

eniac wrote:
one thing that im not reading here is that sony have restricted access to graphical hardware under a different OS. with no graphics acceleration its not going to be a very powerful computer....and what about perihperals?
keyboard, mouse, game pads? what about a blu-ray burner?
people here have been saying - things like "people will be able to DO SOMETHING"....like what? and one person even said "it will be a powerful new amiga with a 3.5 ghz processer",  but with no graphics acceleration, whats the point....

I love when people with no technical background make posts like this (NOT).   First of all, Keyboard and mouse (and for that matter external Blu-Ray burner) plug in just fine, all of them are running on Linux on the PS3.  Graphics acceleration.  If you understand nothing else after this post, learn this.  Because of the direct tie between the cell and the RSX, the graphics (even through the hypervisor) are faster then its possible to do an Amiga One, Samantha, Panda or Megetherium.   Linux isnt running slow graphics on it, its pushing around HD video and full speed, something that can only be dreamed about on the other current contenders for OS4.  The Cell is a 3.2 Ghz G5 quality PPC, even without any enhancements, it will still run all the PPC code they have now 5-6X faster then the fastest AmigaOne and much much faster then Samantha.

if the PS3 port supporters can give me a SOLID reason for installing it on a PS3 then ill jump aboard. if you cant then you should start realizing how much more effective a x86 port would be....

I've been the advocate for x86 since McFleecy bought it, but the time to port to the PS3 (a month for someone competant, 3 months or so for the Frieden brothers) vs a port to x86 (several man years for competant people, infinite time for psuedo twins in there parents basement) isnt a good comparision.   Do you have a better PPC based option or not, because Hyperion isnt interested in porting to x86 and right now they have the source code.
    -Tig

[Tigger]

koaftder wrote:
The ps3 makes for a crappy computer, 128mb ram and chock full of lockdown. Xbox and wii, no better. High performance computers already exist, they are called pcs and macs.

Actually it runs linux pretty damn well, and oh yeah its alot faster then the current or proposed other PPC solutions for OS4.   It doesnt have 128mb ram, and even through hypervisor, the graphics are faster then any other PPC amiga by a huge margin no matter what graphic card they have.  
    -Tig

[nbarnes]

...and another thing...what will really HELP is the LIMITED amount of DRIVERS required for PS3. Porting to x86 would be a COLOSSAL waste of effort cos then you'll get disgruntled new users going bananas cos device xyz is not supported.

Look at Linux, I've been a stern advocate of this OS for MANY years (before all the nice graphical install routines) but it STILL bugs me (have to muck around with kernel modules and having to rely on Joe Bloggski from Poland to get his finger out for some software incompatibility issue between different releases and "distributions". What a pain in the ar*e! - no offence to anybody in Poland, it's just a fictional example...)

This is NOT what an average user WANTS. It's not what I want at all. We just want things to WORK....and THAT is where the beauty of the PS3 comes in: RESTRICTED amount of hardware to support out of the box. It'll just work and then we can all be PRODUCTIVE doing whatever we want. And THEN, if anybody wants to produce a driver for device xyz then well done you! The important thing is that the BASE system should JUST WORK and we won't get that with an x86 port (sorry guv, don't recognize your NIC, you're screwed mate).

The biggest PLUS though is that a PS3 port (of OS4) would just be plain SEXY, and you can't say that about some bland, anonymous tower system. It'll get HEADLINES.

It has GOT to be the way forward.

Also, remember this: It is EASY to think of many reasons NOT to do something but if we all thought like that we'd never have faked the moon landings ...

 ;-)