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Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« on: March 28, 2007, 11:38:04 AM »
Its not like we need an even bigger list in this department, but it is nonetheless amazing given the Amiga's handicap of being developed 20 freaking years ago how many things the Amiga still does better than so-called "modern" OSs.  

Try this on a pee-see; XP gave me an error then proceeded to do exactly the opposite of what should have happened; logically, anyway.    
At the same time, delete all the files in a large scratch directory then uncrunch a large number of archive files to that same directory.  


I tried the same thing on my A4000T and it worked flawlessly and effortlessly.  It deleted all the files I told it to delete and it unarchived all the files I told it to unarchive, at the same time, to the same directory, without any overlap, prompts, messages, popups, nags, errors or complaints.

 


 
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2007, 01:05:22 PM »
It is simple why i love amiga: She is always do what i asked for her. In Pc: it is tell me why i can't do that thing. And it is tell me that this is for me. (save me from hacker or from MYSELF!) But if hacker want something they will do it. If i was the idiot, i gave that command.

Anyway whenever i use any ms products they feel me that this is ms property not mine, whatever i do on it. At the same time i have never any feeling about that on amiga, commodore or some other group have any rights on it.  
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2007, 01:33:23 PM »
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Anyway whenever i use any ms products they feel me that this is ms property not mine


Thats a good point. I never really thought of the "'My' Computer" icon as irony, but you're right.  "Ownership" definately is a theme (if a subtle one) of the whole Windows experience.  Unfortunately the message is that "{v) to own" is the providence of Microsoft, while "(adj) to be owned" is the destiny of all other matter in the universe.  Using Windows everyday is akin to being handcuffed and forced to listen to the same insulting, condescending lecture over, and over, and over, and over, and over again...
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2007, 01:36:35 PM »
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"(adj) to be owned"

"to be owned" is a verb :-P

[EDIT]Actually I suppose it's a verb and an adjective. So fair enough ;-)[/EDIT]

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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2007, 01:44:31 PM »
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"to be owned" is a verb


Only in prison.   :lol:
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2007, 01:47:04 PM »


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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2007, 02:06:59 PM »
I can't try it, because my system is so dang fast a large scratch directory is already deleted before I can switch to the unzipping program.
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2007, 02:09:20 PM »
Show-off :-P A directory with hundreds or thousands of small files would take longer to delete. Try your temporary Internet files if you really want to try it.

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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2007, 03:55:33 PM »
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Its not like we need an even bigger list in this department, but it is nonetheless amazing given the Amiga's handicap of being developed 20 freaking years ago how many things the Amiga still does better than so-called "modern" OSs.

I don't know. For me that's a very short list and I have a much longer list of things modern operating systems do better than Amiga OS. Perhaps I need to pick up a pair of those rose colored glasses you like to wear.

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Try this on a pee-see; XP gave me an error then proceeded to do exactly the opposite of what should have happened; logically, anyway.    
At the same time, delete all the files in a large scratch directory then uncrunch a large number of archive files to that same directory.

Works fine here. Did get a couple of confirmation dialogs (there were some files with the read-only and system flags set), but I'm not opposed to those as they have occasionally saved by butt from doing something incredibly stupid.
 

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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2007, 05:49:03 PM »
I suspect the Amiga might take just as long if there could be more than one "owner" of the files, in other words if it had multiple user support.

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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2007, 07:17:19 PM »
PCs do a lot of things well, and Windows just happens to be there. It's like finding a fast-flowing river and sticking a huge dam that draws power from the current and sends it off to who-knows-where.

Software that's written for Windows just doesn't have that "loving touch" that a lot of us have come to expect with other platforms. Even when the product has an exoribitant price tag, in a lot of cases it still lacks that little something extra. Windows programs take the exact opposite approach, giving the customer/client only enough, barely enough, to cover their asking price. Sometimes it doesn't come that far.

As an example, I program {bleep}pit panels and custom gauges for Microsoft Flight Simulator. It uses the most bizarre assortment of instructions with a non-standard XML wrapper. It absolutely feels like the people behind that API just did enough to get a paycheck and left it half-complete. Maybe. I'd call it about a third of the way done. It works, but it's awful. It's similar to having about a third of the functionality available in C, and for the rest, "just stick to assembler and pretend it's easy."

But that's everywhere. Maybe not in that exact form, but the general ideology shows up frequently. It just doesn't have that overall slickness that the Amiga has benefitted from for decades.

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My sister-in-law is one of those people who has so much on their plate that they can't get anything done until it's almost too late, and then screams for help from anyone close enough to hear.

She comes in begging her sister and me to rush to the courthouse as fast as possible with copies of a form. Had to be there by 4:30.

It's about 3:30 and we're in Washington D.C.

Rush hour traffic.

We only had the one form. Copies had to be made.

Okay, shouldn't be too bad. We've got a laptop. We've got a portable scanner. We've got a portable printer. We'd just used them shortly before and they work well enough. Let's go. We'll make copies on the way. So there we are, driving down the road. I turn on the laptop, reconnect the printer and the scanner, then start getting the document ready. This is going to be easy.

Wait, please insert the disc with the scanner driver on it? What disc with the scanner driver on it? That's back there! Great. Try the scanner in other USB ports. Nope. Not happening. Gotta have that disc now. So it's a fast trip to Kinko's for copies and make it to the courthouse very late. Lights are going off as we walk down the corridor.

Skin of our teeth we made it by.

What was the document that was so critical?

My sister-in-law was helping extremely poor immigrant parents who'd been separated from their child. The document had to be filed by closing that day or it would be another year before they could apply to have their son brought to the states from Africa.

And no, I'm not making this up. True story.
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2007, 07:45:20 PM »
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Show-off :-P A directory with hundreds or thousands of small files would take longer to delete. Try your temporary Internet files if you really want to try it.

When I ran the test, I prepared a special directory with 2176 files in 143 subdirectories (overall size +/- 200 MB), and extracted a compressed mudlib with about the same number of files but much smaller average filesize into that directory. Deletion was nearly instantaneous; it took a little longer for the file system to flush out the changes to disk, and this apparently halted the unzipper for a few moments. But you need a really good filing system for this sort of thing to be handled simultaneously. I'm not sure about NTFS's abilities in this regard; I know that ReiserFS4 for *nix laughs at this sort of thing, and still provides maximum throughput when there's 8 tasks asking for data from the filing system concurrently. I seriously doubt FFS is any better, though.
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2007, 07:55:04 PM »
ok just tried with both my 060 a1200 and then my xp pc... my pc have no problems doing such a thing at all and even 1000% faster .. this rubbish never ends what amiga can do and pcs cant..  :lol: o well what x86 setup do you run windows xp with a celeron 633mhz and 128 mb ram if so it is understandable....

o and for the record my 060 with fast ata mkIII was so slow during the test i give up before end it .. therefore i can not verfy the amiga is able to complete such a task..

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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2007, 08:44:03 PM »
Here's a few things a basic and barebones PC without connections to the outside world genuinely cannot do that an Amiga can:

1. Measure time with a greater accuracy than 55 ms. Amigas have CIAs which provide microsecond accuracy.

2. Generate raster interrupts the way the Copper can.

3. Display an image based on bitplanes. (Then again, the Amiga cannot really display a chunky image without employing advanced Copper trickery, and then at great loss of resolution. The entire concept is alien to the Amiga hardware, is what I'm saying.) This made the Amiga perfect for sideways 2D scrollers, but absolutely not perfect for 3D games.

4. Attach 9-pins joysticks and mice with ease. (You always had to use a 15-pins port.)

5. PCs do not have standard hardware support for light pens and potmeters. Then again, who uses a light pen nowadays? (I had this one for my Schneider CPC464---very nifty and cool toy.)

6. Nor do they have standard support for analog TV out signals (it depends on your video card) or genlocking (which is now handled in a different way).


Not particularly Earth-shattering, but still: unique abilities!
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Re: Yet another thing the Amiga can do that Windoze can't.....
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2007, 08:52:18 PM »
I've never really had performance issues with Windows, for a mainstream OS (something my grandparents have no problem using), it's just fine. Yet, if you desire to get into the "nitty gritty" and tweak Windows around like AmigaOS, you can.

As I see it, AmigaOS is for nostalgics, and/or geeks who like to tinker with things. *Some* ideas may be implemented a bit more simply, but overall, Amigas/AmigaOS is far more difficult to setup and use efficiently. (Try building up an expanded A1200/OS 3.9 system from parts, it's *far* more arduous than, say, PPC Linux even. A Windows PC, from boxed parts to a fully tweaked XP install, can be fully operational in less than an hour... and probably by my 80 year-old grandfather.)

Subjectively, I have *fun* using Amigas/AmigaOS, but (like someone mentioned above) I simply don't see the point in comparison.