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Offline RoseDreamJTopic starter

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Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« on: March 27, 2007, 10:19:23 PM »
Ok.  Here's the deal.  A friend and I were attempting to help staff members at a local church to handle some of their periodic computer tasks like updating member information in a database, retrieve mailing lists, etc.  Their system was set up by a man who recently passed away.  Now my friend and I are Windows geeks but not Amiga geeks.  Perhaps after this, we don't even qualify as geeks any more.  Feel free to laugh at our expense (we deserve it).  But please give us a hand if you are able.

One of the tasks was very simple...format a floppy.  WooHoo, I thought.  This is an easy one.  We located a formating utility and perused the options.  I thought that what was listed was a set of possible floppy disk sizes DH0 was 880K (which size I had never heard of), DH1 was 120M, and DH2 was 120M.  There were others but I forget now what they were named.

I thought that since there was no such thing (according to me) as an 880K floppy that it must have been referring to a 720K disk.  Likewise, I figured 120M was supposed to be 1.2M but was just missing the period and was a bit off from the standard 1.44 IBM floppy.  Yes, I know.  It sounds dumb to us now too.  But it seemed logical at the moment.  We opted to format DH2.  When we noted that the HD activity light was blinking instead of the floppy, we knew we were morons and hit Cancel or Stop.

Now, upon reboot, we noticed that several icons that were previously on the desktop (workbench?) were now missing.  One was named Main.  Not surprisingly the previously pleased church staff commented that this and that was missing and would no longer function.

There are regular backups that are done...weekly.  But since we don't know squat about Amiga, we really aren't sure if only the data is archived or if the data and the applications are backed up.  However, we did notice that an app called Calculator was within this backup folder (drawer?).  To us, many of the other file names seem very generic...like census, payroll, etc.  But now having seen calculator, we are wondering (and hoping) that these are entire directories or even just pre-named archives that include the applications themselves.

Another glimmer of hope is that there is another Amiga on site that has a duplicate application set.  The only difference is the data generated or stored with them.  So between the two computers, we do have all the needed applications and the data in backup form.

All that said (and humbly confessed) we do not know where to go from here and are quite gun shy after botching such a simple operation as formatting a floppy.  If it were a Windows machine, I would reinstall the software and import all the backup data (all database, text, and created art).  But we're really struggling with some of the terminology.  For instance we looked for anything called RESTORE or RECOVER.

Any recommendations on our next steps...outside of skipping town and admitting defeat, of course.

Is there a standard restore type application that would handle any existing backups?  Or would those be application specific?

How about transferring apps from one Amiga to the other?  Is that as simple as the old DOS (pre-Windows Registry days) where you just copy directories onto a floppy and then copy over the whole directories?

Any help is greatly appreciated. (and laughter is completely understood)

Sincerely,
James Senick (not my real name to protect the rep I once enjoyed)
 

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2007, 10:22:44 PM »
First of all, did you quick format or slow format the drives?

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2007, 10:24:00 PM »
Get hold of Quarterback tools or DiskSalv v4, they will recover all of the deleted files on the Hard Drive.
As you know diddley squit about Amigas I will leave you to one of the others than can explain how you can get hold of these better than I ever could!
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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2007, 10:24:31 PM »
it was a slow format
 

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2007, 10:26:12 PM »
Then RedDwarfer is correct - you will need something like QuarterBack Tools or DiskSalv to recover the deleted files, or have a look at their backup of the partition you formatted and see if it is accessible. If so, just format the partition then copy the files from the backup.

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2007, 10:27:40 PM »
For future ref...


DF0: (ZERO) means Drive Floppy Zero (you can have more than one and Zero is internal/primary)

DH0:  Have a guess!!


No, I dont know why they named it arse about face for either.


Oh... good news...

There's NO registry on an amiga.    Just drag the bugger back.
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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2007, 10:27:47 PM »
Cool.  We saw a floppy with that name in house today.  So, perhaps there is hope?
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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2007, 10:30:59 PM »
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For future ref...
DF0: (ZERO) means Drive Floppy Zero (you can have more than one and Zero is internal/primary)

DH0: Have a guess!!

No, I dont know why they named it arse about face for either.

Oh... good news...

There's NO registry on an amiga. Just drag the bugger back.


Great!  Thank you.

Are there common extensions for applications versus data files...like exe or com versus txt and doc?
 

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2007, 10:41:11 PM »
Amigans consider DH0: ( HD0: on newer machines) as ..

"The Engine Room", So we dont generally stick stuff in there unless its main purpose is smooth running or improvements to the O/s.

Look in one of your working machines Dh0:

open the drives icon.. slesct Show-All files from the menu at the top of the screen. Or use Dos

You will see... (Amongst others)

C:  C is a directory NOT a drive. it stands for Commands. Have a guess what lives in there !!

Libs is short for Libraries - See above !!

Devs is Devices (Drives etc)

S .. Now this one is where your auto exec lives. Its called Startup-Sequence. guess what that does !!

hehe

Custom User startups go into S: as well.  They are called.... Wait for it....

User-Startup. this is basically a kind of registry. there are pointers to where your programs are installed or alias's.
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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2007, 10:55:13 PM »
The Amiga doesn't use file extensions for most filetypes so you will need to determine what they are by name.

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10  IT\'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
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40     DA-NA-NAAAA-NAAAA DA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NA-NAAAAA
50  NEXT C
60  NA-NA-NAAAA
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80  GOTO 10
 

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2007, 10:59:01 PM »
Some screengrabs in Dh0:





and the User-Startup i was telling you about




As you can see... It basically tells the Os where user installed programs live.

Yours will , of cours, be different
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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2007, 11:02:49 PM »
Yep on the Amiga you could fit 880K on a DD-disk and 1.76M on a HD-disk. Don't know which Amiga you got but the high end ones usually came with HD-drives (A3000 and A4000). A500(+), A600 and A1200 came with DD-drives (A2000 too i think).

 

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2007, 11:03:41 PM »
@RoseDreamJ

I am not being unkind but as you have proceeded to full format the hard drive and may have problems restoring the data, you might want to see if there is any Amiga users in your area with some more expertise who can go on-site and resolve the problem.

As the data is obviously important, making any more mistakes could make it harder still for someone knowledgeable with Amigas to help you.

Its up to you. I am a computer technician myself, but beyond my remit I regularly employ experts in other areas of IT to carry out tasks.
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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2007, 11:53:21 PM »
@RosedreamJ

You must feel awful, and you have my sympathies.

Where in the world are you - perhaps there is someone on this forum who would volunteer to take a look at it for you.
Amiga folk are, in my experience, generous and happy to help out.

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Re: Non-Amiga geeks make a boo boo
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2007, 12:43:08 AM »
HAHAHAHAHAAH... priceless.