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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #89 from previous page: June 11, 2003, 08:19:58 PM »
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downix : For the mascot, ya forgot the butterfly wings and fur!


There's a little example for ya! Is the Boing ball going to be found acceptable by owners of all platforms? I'm already wondering this as I look at Eric Schwartz's mascot for Amizilla, which Genesi and Phoenix are considering donating to. Nobdy likes to feel they are second-class citizens but making a symbol that is inclusive can be rather tricky ; }
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2003, 08:22:30 PM »
What version of GCC would it then be?
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2003, 08:26:40 PM »
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downix : For the mascot, ya forgot the butterfly wings and fur!


There's a little example for ya! Is the Boing ball going to be found acceptable by owners of all platforms? I'm already wondering this as I look at Eric Schwartz's mascot for Amizilla, which Genesi and Phoenix are considering donating to. Nobdy likes to feel they are second-class citizens but making a symbol that is inclusive can be rather tricky ; }


Hence my suggestion of the Amiga Rainbow tick.

I don't think Jay wouldn't mind if he was still with us! :-D
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2003, 08:27:20 PM »
I can live with a Boing Ball, or a rainbow checkmark.
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2003, 08:30:30 PM »
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I can live with a Boing Ball, or a rainbow checkmark.



Arrrrrrrrghhhhhh.... evn the humble rainbow tick wil cause a division in the community!

I say tomato, you say tomato
I say tick, you checkmark
Lets call the whole thing o............ ;-)

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Nice signature downix! :lol:
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #94 on: June 11, 2003, 08:33:53 PM »
I don't think we need to specify what compiler a developer should use.

It's a personal thing, just like what aftershave you wear. ;-)

What if someone wants to use a lnaguage other than C, but they write their app to be 100% OpenAmiga compliant in everyother respect?
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2003, 08:42:35 PM »
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I don't think we need to specify what compiler a developer should use.

It's a personal thing, just like what aftershave you wear. ;-)

What if someone wants to use a lnaguage other than C, but they write their app to be 100% OpenAmiga compliant in everyother respect?


Sure but we need to define a standard, that will work across theboard... such is the way of standards :-)

If some one write using say VBCC, ten that might not exist on another plat form, remdering the whole point of this excercise uselss :-(

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2003, 08:44:04 PM »
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For the mascot, ya forgot the butterfly wings and fur!

Some sort of chimera would probably be apropos...
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #97 on: June 11, 2003, 08:52:09 PM »
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For the mascot, ya forgot the butterfly wings and fur!

Some sort of chimera would probably be apropos...


Sod it, Someone just render a Black and white Checkmark tick that look like pressed Aluminium... sort of like the new Apple logo...

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2003, 09:01:22 PM »
Read THS and THIS TOO and tell me if it is possible for developers to all embrace the same Initiative.

Actually, about a week ago I had talked to a developer who is both in Phoenix and on the Open AWeb team, and he came back to me with a No Go on my query of whether the AWeb team would like to present themselves as a participant. I queried because I wanted to see them involved so that I could offer up a matching donation to Amizilla with more confidence that a browser would come out the other end.

Nobody else from that team even bothered write me. I dunno, maybe I was never mentioned as the originator of the query - or maybe I WAS, and that made it impossible to talk about it ; } ...Either way, it doesn't make the picture look rosy for getting all qualified parties speaking WITH instead of TO each other, and dicsussing issues and finding common solutions.
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2003, 09:02:09 PM »
In the meantime, I've just sent filson a newer version of the logo with a MorphOS butterfly - unfortunately I haven't got the AROS mascot on, though I might try later.

BTW what category would this go under in OSNews?  Amiga or MorphOS wouldn't really be right. :-?

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #100 on: June 11, 2003, 09:08:22 PM »
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Read THS and THIS TOO and tell me if it is possible for developers to all embrace the same Initiative.

Actually, about a week ago I had talked to a developer who is both in Phoenix and on the Open AWeb team, and he came back to me with a No Go on my query of whether the AWeb team would like to present themselves as a participant. I queried because I wanted to see them involved so that I could offer up a matching donation to Amizilla with more confidence that a browser would come out the other end.

Nobody else from that team even bothered write me. I dunno, maybe I was never mentioned as the originator of the query - or maybe I WAS, and that made it impossible to talk about it ; } ...Either way, it doesn't make the picture look rosy for getting all qualified parties speaking WITH instead of TO each other, and dicsussing issues and finding common solutions.


Lets keep this in perspective... All we are doing is defining a set of minimum standards  which if develoeprs follow (and most already do wirthout realising it, due to the standards we have chosen) then it will be easy to port their apps from one platform to another... we don;t really ask anything else of them.

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #101 on: June 11, 2003, 09:10:27 PM »
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In the meantime, I've just sent filson a newer version of the logo with a MorphOS butterfly - unfortunately I haven't got the AROS mascot on, though I might try later.

BTW what category would this go under in OSNews?  Amiga or MorphOS wouldn't really be right. :-?


It's gone up under Amiga news.

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #102 on: June 11, 2003, 09:18:10 PM »
Well, one could always use a Phoenix logo (we have a new minimalist logo we are considering as replacement for numerous variations on the old one, as well) ; }

- After all, Phoenix was supposed to be about developers crossing boundaries (only some seem able to do this, historically), has welcomed developers from many efforts (but most see another platform besides their own represented and immediately run away, maybe even discouraging others from getting involved - this also has historical precedents).

Honestly, of all the people who have stayed in Phoenix, or come and gone, I have seen very few who could put partisanship aside long enough to actually contribute to a greater common good (though some tried in spite of the pressures and underlying distrust and animosity). By default Phoenix has had to become a one-platform house a couple of times now (so maybe it isn't even realistic to think any other thing could happen) ...

I was thrilled to see Genesi interested in Phoenix and also investing in running multiple OSes on the Pegasos because I felt that it was healthier to have the diversity. But I still see so many people sign up and expect me and a few others somehow deliver them miracles without they themselves putting efforts in to build a structure and mindset and attitude that would make much greater things possible in terms of cooperative strength and sharing the load.

You could say that sometimes I feel I've seen more than I wanted to of human nature ; }
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #103 on: June 11, 2003, 09:21:52 PM »
Ok so this seems to be more than a nice idea.  In theory it should be able to work.  The only problem I can see is that some of the APIs are for commerical products, but there are always ways around that.  Now what is needed is for someone to explain exactly how it WILL work.   We need someone to come up with a detailed plan and proposal to put forward to the current players.

The next stage after that will be to present the whole OpenAmiga initative to the AROS team, Genesi/Pheonix and Hyperion/Amiga and get them to sign up to it.

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This would be perfect for that progamming inititive I discussed with you.
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #104 on: June 11, 2003, 09:23:17 PM »
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bloodline : Lets keep this in perspective... All we are doing is defining a set of minimum standards which if develoeprs follow (and most already do wirthout realising it, due to the standards we have chosen) then it will be easy to port their apps from one platform to another... we don;t really ask anything else of them.


I found the Amizilla thing rather relevant because standards are actually a majorly discussed issue in what gets ported, and how.

But I understand your point.
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