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morphos vs amiga os4
« on: June 09, 2003, 08:39:58 PM »
Is anyone else bored of these arguments i myself want both systems to do well .Or is it fun and constructive to keep on with these types of arguments and put people who are involved in both platforms and operating systems down all the time . :-o  :-?  :-?  :-(  :-)
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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2003, 08:50:37 PM »
yes.

So we'll end this.. here?

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 08:54:26 PM »
Fine by me. They both sound like rather nice operating systems to me.
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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2003, 09:00:16 PM »
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So we'll end this.. here?


I hope so  :-D
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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2003, 10:48:43 PM »
totally agree..
they both need a lot of work so who even cares?
just an impartial observation that any potential outside customer would make..

keep the development going!! things are finally starting to look interesting!
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2003, 11:32:53 PM »
Flame bait subject... anyway, the Amiga Market needs this kind of competition. Without it the market will stagnate.



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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2003, 11:46:25 PM »
i just want to know the technical scientific differences between them
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2003, 12:19:14 AM »
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i just want to know the technical scientific differences between them

Simply

Morphos is a rewrite that is backwards compatible

Amiga OS 4 is a port (with new stuff)

It is pointless to go farther then that due to

a) Lack of info on OS 4

b) MorphOS is currently in public beta
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2003, 12:22:47 AM »
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b) MorphOS is currently in public beta

im pretty sure it has been fully released
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2003, 12:24:57 AM »
@iamaboringperson,

TO begin with, I am behind the MorphOS camp, so this is as I see things.  This also means I do not see a grander picture for AOS4, using only the demonstrated segments and the whitepapers to judge from. So, let's start from the bottom:

The problem is that the AmigaOS API's, while nice, are also unstable: a single errant program can kill the whole setup.  

MorphOS is based on the premice of keeping these legacy API's safely away from the core of the system, in order to prevent it from taking down the whole system.  With MorphOS putting these API's into a lock-box, if an errant program does go awry, the system can kill the whole box off and keep the rest of the programs running smoothly.  This works in much the same manner as WinOS/2 or Mac OSX's classic compatability mode.

AmigaOS4, by comparison, is trying to have it's cake and eat it too, by integrating new, safe, API's alongside the older, unsafe, API's.  I am not assured that this approach will work, as shown by the repeated failed attempts to do the same thing with MacOS before they abandoned the concept and went with the same approach as MorphOS.

That's just from the basic principle on how they work, mind you.

As for more concrete:  
MorphOS's GUI, Ambient, is built directly on top of CyberGFX and is built up using MUI.

AmigaOS's GUI, Workbench, is still based on Intuition and the legacy widgets for core operations.

MorphOS, by building a full version of MUI into the system, provides a consistant level of programmability from the top to the bottom.

AmigaOS, by comparison, not only includes the legacy workbench material, but also includes ReAction and a shareware form of MUI, which means it has more availible applications but no guarantee of consistant operation between them.

MorphOS runs on both legacy PPC cards for the Amiga and a next generation PPC platform, the Pegasos.  The Pegasos version is more advanced, but the ones for the classic Amiga still are under development and have a public beta availible.

AmigaOS 4  at this time, only runs on the Cyberstorm PPC.  Plans for the AmigaONE and BlizzardPPC are forthcoming, but nothing is in a demonstratable form at this time.

MorphOS utilizes a hardware abstraction layer in order to help get rid of the legacy hardware dependence when not on the Amiga hardware.  This is called Open Firmware, and is an industrial standard HAL found in mainframes, workstations, and even your local iMac.

AmigaOS's plans for moving off of the classic Amiga hardware involve using a Linux boot-strapping BIOS called uBoot, which was engineered for embedded motherboards (like those found in your microwave or DVD player).  AmigaOS4's main authors helped to port this to the AmigaONE.

MorphOS includes registered versions of software such as a web browser, e-mail, MUI, etc.

AmigaOS4 includes much shareware, including the widget set MUI needed for it's shareware browser, IBrowse.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.  Feel free to flame and nit-pick this appart.  But remember, this is from my personal POV, and do recall that I am biased to the OS that I can use today.
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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2003, 12:28:36 AM »
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b) MorphOS is currently in public beta


Beta implies pre-version 1.0

MorphOS is in version 1.3.

Anything else?
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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2003, 12:31:40 AM »
from what you wrote, it seems that mui lovers will be more happy with mos than mui haters ;-)
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2003, 12:34:49 AM »
Well, here's my comparison:

One company got over $50,000 from the community
as a show of faith, delivered nothing, and is currently
auctioning its assets off while telling us everything is fine.

The other actually has a product. Unstable, or pathetic as it may be, they never promised me anything if I sent them $50.

I dont know about any of you, but I dont exactly
wipe my butt on $50 bills- so OS4 is not even a valid
subject of discussion in my book until something
is delivered from these people.  Lifetime amiga club membership my ass.  It's been a year since they
whipped out that lie, and STILL nothing... NOT EVEN A FREAKIN TSHIRT. They damned sure claimed the Paypal transactions, though.

So, in essence, dont bother mentioning AINC's vaporware, and nobody gets flamed. Real easy.
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2003, 12:36:30 AM »
better take another look at that AROS ;-)
 

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Re: morphos vs amiga os4
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2003, 12:38:40 AM »
@huronking

If you really need a t-shirt that badly, would an XL do?  I think I've got one or two left here.

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