Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

[Kronos]

@Ben
"calmy pointing" ?

It really is that lawyers do speak a language of there own ......
(he was more or less threating to pull me to court over that).

I also see no reason to pull my back my statements from back than, as I still think that Ainc's claim of Amithlon being unlicenced
(and since they never went to court over it, it is still just a claim) is connected to them (you) wanting to have the  OS3.5/9-sources
(at your conditions).

Heck. it took AInc allmost a year after Amithlon was 1st sold till they made a public statement about it (the get-legal-or-shut-down-
speech), but even than they didn't dared to put names on those they wanted to blame.

This should have been (by far) the easiest to proove of all the accustations, and the release of Umilator would have brought some cash.

But still nothing, and you still want me that there wasn't any foul play towards H&P ? Sorry, but Mr Haage may be a
controversial character, but atleast his view on that made SOME sense.

[mikeymike]

@ DaveP

Im sure theres something about casting the first stone.

Apparently in the Amiga community that scores you ten extra points :-)

"All I said was, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"

[csirac_]

by mikeymike on 2003/6/9 23:57:43

@ DaveP

Quote:

    Im sure theres something about casting the first stone.



Apparently in the Amiga community that scores you ten extra points

"All I said was, that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah!"

"He said it again! Stone him!"

[Rodney]

Well, thats not how i saw it.

 Subject : Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

You say Rude, i say Kronos opinion that maybe there hasnt been any reay news. I disagree that there hasnt because i believe features lists, several interviews and screen shots to be enough. However, kronos was not insulting anyone, putting anyone down or behaving badly, so i can see how this can be used as flame bait.

Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??

Again personal opinion, not insults thrown and no need for flame.

Another bunch of useless screenshots

Saaaaaaame....

Did anybody ask, what the were seeing ?
How much is still 68k, and how much is PPC ?
(and no, I don't care wether it is just a recompile away, I want to know what is NOW)

nothing wrong with it...

What did run ? 68k SW ? WOS ? OS4-native ?
Is P96 allready intregrated in in graphics/layers, or still patching the orginal libs ?
And how will that affect the AGA-compabilty ?
What HW was used ? SCSI (on the CS-PPC) ? Where new drivers used (emu or native ?), or
ist it still the Phase5-device running in emu ?
What GFX-card ? Zorro,PCI or CV-PPC ? And what others are supported RIGHT NOW ?

These should have been answered before the flames started, and the fact that they went says to me, people are more interested in flaming then stating some useful information and actualy makeing the community look functional for once.

And yes I know someone will come around and tell me that I ain't worth an answer

Well, he was right - seriously, someone could reply to this, but not with insults and flames.

(hi Hans-Jörg), but that doesn't change the fact that my questions are valid,

Ok, this, because he mentioned a specific person, prolly does diserve a flame. From the person whos name was spoken anyway .

and that
STRAIGHT answer to them would give a much better insight in the state of things as a
million of screenshots could ever do.

Again, no reason for a flame, unless the freedens feel they ahve to or anyone related.

The fact is, kronos may have a reputation of being a keen MOS support. In real life, this my threaten them. Kronos on the most part, seems to be pretty intelegent, and from time to time, this shows .

The fact that kronos asks some pretty tuff question shouldnt be taken as flamebait. The only reason people seem to take them that way, is because everyone feels a little too passionate  about AmigaOS. Its like a religion. When someone questions your religion or asks some pretty tough questions, you may not like it.  That does mean you start calling them names or abusing them. All you do is give them the answeres their looking for, or agree to disagree.

Look where the second post has goten us . 100+ threat about flaming. This is silly.

[DaveP]

Well now you know how I see it, and I know now how you see it we clearly wont agree although I would point you to a few things:

1. The language used by Kronos is "rude".

2. The questions he asked, as I said, there was nothing wrong with them.

I think you are wrong, but then you think I am wrong ;-)

[hnl_dk]

I think you are wrong, but then you think I am wrong ;-)

If You are wrong, then I'm wrong too :-o

[DaveP]

I certainly don't think Im wrong ;-)

I think a post from Kronos phrased in courteous tones would have resulted in a thread of say..... oh 5 or six followup posts?

[HyperionMP]

>Which doesn't mean that you haven't even looked at it, >which would be really hard to believe (in other words, I >wouldn't believe you if you told me that you never ever >LOOKED at the AROS source code).

Quite frankly I could care less what you believe.

Why would we look at the AROS codebase when we have the entire OS 3.x codebase sitting in a CVS barring a few minor additions by H&P themselves?

If you are Fabio Allemagna, the self-styled GPL Warrior who doesn't even understand the GPL himself, I'm not surprised to see that contrived reasoning you come up with next.

Get a life Fabio.

You know as well as I do that AROS is not fully binary compatible with OS 3.1.

[Rodney]

[HyperionMP]

You're a coward Stefan, that's all there is to it.

I never threatened you with any lawsuits.

What a waste of my time that would be to sue a non-entity like yourself.

With all the time you spend on the net making a total nuissance out of yourself, did you ever bother to contact H&P or Bernie Meyer to find out if there was any substance to your idiotic claims that Hyperion had anything to do with the whole Amithlon situation?

No, ofcourse not.

It's far more pleasant to throw around wild and unfounded accusations than to find out that your moronic conspiracy theories are nonsense.

From now on I'll be ignoring you, just like I should have done from day 1.

Too bad I cannot hold you to your promise of going Beos you made on ANN once.

[falemagn]

HyperionMP wrote:
Which doesn't mean that you haven't even looked at it, >which would be really hard to believe (in other words, I >wouldn't believe you if you told me that you never ever >LOOKED at the AROS source code).

Quite frankly I could care less what you believe.

I wouldn't have expected anything different, and, quite frankly, I don't care that you don't care.

Why would we look at the AROS codebase when we have the entire OS 3.x codebase sitting in a CVS barring a few minor additions by H&P themselves?

Just because it exists, and many issues that you've certainly had to face have been faced by the AROS developers. Come on, dude, people are not stupid like you want to believe they are.

If you are Fabio Allemagna,

Nope, I'm Fabio Alemagna. Learn how to spell my name correctly, thanks :-)

the self-styled GPL Warrior who doesn't even understand the GPL himself,

LOL :-) There he goes with his personal attacks and bullshit :-) For one who doesn't understand the GPL, it's a quite big achievement to obtain the guilty modules to be removed from the guilty software. But I really want you to PROVE your claims, for once, so I'll wait for you to show me what you're talking about.

 I'm not surprised to see that contrived reasoning you come up with next.

Yeah, right... :-) Did you even think for a moment that I was waiting for other kind (which means "reasonable") answers?

Get a life Fabio.

How nice of you to suggest me that... but thanks, I already have a pretty happy one. I don't think the same can be said about yours, though. (DaveP, still defending Hyperion after such words? Shame on you, if you are).

You know as well as I do that AROS is not fully binary compatible with OS 3.1.

Dude, that's not what you said. You said that AROS is not MEANT to be binary compatible with AOS, which is an outright lie, and the AROS webpage contraddicts your very same words. There's only one place where AROS is not compatible by design and that place is 99% of the times not touched by applications, but only by the shell and by filesystems (which hasn't stopped us from porting filesystems from AmigaOS without almost changing one line of code in them). But even if it was that what you were referring to, you're still in contraddiction with your very same words, because it seems that this incompatibility hasn't stopped MOS from using AROS and be binary compatible with AOS.

Now, dude, what about you getting some clue and even a better life?

[hnl_dk]

@DaveP

You are way out on the field, if You ask him

 ;-)

[Hattig]

Which doesn't mean that you haven't even looked at it, which would be really hard to believe (in other words, I wouldn't believe you if you told me that you never ever LOOKED at the AROS source code).

Which goes straight back to what Hyperion have been saying on the previous page - whatever they say, someone will reply saying that they are lying, hell - two successive posts by two different people at Hyperion saying no code from AROS was used ... sheesh

Given your response, I am glad that OS4 is not using AROS code. Which is a shame as I used to download the AROS floppy images and run them, play with the demos, etc, all the time.

Grow up, people, and that goes to both sides. People who have been calling for a full OS4 demonstration running on hardware, with full interface, showing 68k applications running, etc, have been shown just that and more by this demonstration. I haven't heard anything about stability or whatever yet though, I am sure that we will at some point. In addition, we see that OS4, graphically, has all the features and more that were so harped on about in MorphOS recently, like gradients and AA fonts, etc.

My questions for Hyperion would be:

1) How much work has to be done to get it running at beta-quality on the AmigaOne?

2) (as a refresher) Compared to the original specifications for OS4.0, what are the differences in the specification for the OS4.0 that will be released

3) After the release of 4.0, and after a long drinking session to celebrate, what will you be implementing for OS 4.1, and how long do you envisage (allowing for having to do more contract work to get money, etc) it taking before it is available.

4) Any chance of some Imagine / ImageFX / etc benchmarks of the 68k emulator in OS4.0?

[TheMagicM]

All:

KEEP the subject on AMIGA OS 4/MOS/operating system, no more analyzing about "Kronos" said this or that/personal wars or you'll see your post disappear.  

[DaveP]

@Fabio

No Im not defending Ben Hermans, I was defending the Friedens. I was just reading this and was thinking of Redrumloa saying "locky locky" when I got to Bens last few posts.

I don't know why you felt that you had to bring my name into this at all. Perhaps if I had leapt to Bens defense here then it would be justifiable. I realised you used the speculative "if you are" but really, that is a big ole line you are starting to string out with some tasty bait on the end ;-)

[DaveP]

@hnl_dk

Outstanding! ROLFMAO! Can I borrow that pic for an avatar?

@moderator

Waaaaay too late for that. That thread is dead, fred.