Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

[hnl_dk]

@Rouge

Like your new avatar :-D

[DaveP]

Kronos wrote:
@DaveP

The Friedens did not go down to "my level"
Maybe you  should try to reread this thread with your eyes open with time !

I reread. I stand by that.

I also allready explained to you that there is no way that you could have seen years of Kronos-postings as I never posted in
any Amiga-forum prior to September 01,  and was more or less pro-OS4 till May 02.

Sept 01. Sept 02. Its now June 03. I think that qualifies as "years". Regardless of your stance. I have NEVER seen a "pro OS4 " stance from you.

The reason I posted the remark to Hans-Jörg was that he acted just like that on Amiga-News.de,

Amiga-news.de is not here. I have no idea what you are talking about or what running dispute this is part of. From where I come in fresh to this it looked like one hell of a flamebait post.

 were he tried to put words in
my mouth (try to find a quote were I said that OS4 will never run) without giving proove or answering my question.

Well Im sure if he searched hard enough ;-)

My stance on screenshots is known, and prior to this thread there was no NEWS (things we didn't know before) from the tour.

Really? So we all knew that it was using anti-aliased fonts, that it was working on the Cyberstorm PPC and that emulation was working peachily? Strange...

No we finally got some answers, and I must admit that they seem to a bit more advanced as it seemed based on the info (and
reactions to questions) we got from them before. I just don't understand why they didn't make such important steps news themselves.

They have said before they think actions speak louder than words. MorphOS was barely leaking any useful information prior to its GA ... sorry "Beta Tester" launch.

And yes I still think that "can easily be recompiled" is NOT an answer to the question of how much is PPC-native, and thats
why I put that in.

Its called a qualifier. A caveat. Its called answering the question and answering the underlying motive for asking the question too.

Would I have the a prob saying what I wrote face to face with them ? NO ! They do have an history of flaming and trolling
 themselves (just look up old ann.l or Amiga-News threads on MorphOS or  Amithon), and if they can't take a spoonfull of
their own medicine .....

I am well aware of how far both of them have gone in the past under severe provocation. I am sure you would have asked the same questions but I think there would have been signficantly less merde on the envelope.

[Rogue]

put words in my mouth

I didn't. I only said that people had been claiming that our emulation concept wouldn't work. You said this was wrong. I never implied that it was you that said something like this.  But ANN is full of these.

And yes I still think that "can easily be recompiled" is NOT an answer to the question of how much is PPC-native, and thats
why I put that in.

Then why did you ask? When I say that recompiling for PPC is easy, you (and others) go and deny what I say. Why do you ask questions if you don't believe the answers?

[jtsiren]

Believe me when I say that you haven't yet seen the worst of me.

Okay, I'll take your word for it.

It is not only here. Kronos does this on every forum.

I have no problem in conceding that either.

However, that was hardly my point.

To give him credit though, his questons *are* valid. Something that you cannot say from others, especially on german forums. However, like I said, if he chooses to ask them in an offensive way, I choose to ignore them.

Ignoring is one thing. Responding the way you did is another.

You could gain a lot by keeping your calm, humility and to the point answers throughout - no matter how much the audience tries to stir you up. THAT was my point. Obviously you disagree, so I'll leave it at that.

[zacman]

>Simple one word answer: "Zero".

So the features that were implemented into
OS3.5/3.9 using AROS code have also been
rewritten?

[DaveP]

Care to identify them?

[Kronos]

@DaveP
The Colorwheel-gadget comes to mind (there were others, put I'm not sure about what those were).

And just go through the ann.lu-archives till you hit early 02, or even the 1st 2 months worth of posting here
(after the site was restarted), but I'm not sure wether these are still available.

What will you find ? A Kronos who wants OS4 (just not any HW from Eyetech  ;-) ), but allready dares to question the
overoptimistic release dates given at that time.

You will also find a Kronos critizing MorphOS (mainly because there was no WB-replacement  back than).

I even went sofar to seeing MorphOS as useless, since OS4 was "real soon now", but after a while  I managed to see things
a bit more realistic (and so have others who have been strongly in the OS4-camp). In my case the public behaviour of
Hyperion-employees was one major contributing factor, and I don't think I am a single case on this.

[hnl_dk]

Care to identify them?

Haage & Partner used parts of AROS in AmigaOS 3.5 and 3.9, for example the colorwheel and gradientslider gadgets and the SetENV command. This means that in a way, AROS has become part of the official AmigaOS. This does not imply that there is any formal relation between AROS and Haage & Partner. AROS is an open source project, and anyone can use our code in their own projects provided they follow the license.

link

But as Hyperion didn't get the sources from H&P, they properly didn't use it

[HyperionMP]

I also recall a Kronos accusing me personally and publically of torpedoing Amithlon and the same Kronos refusing to rectify even though I took the time to clarify the situation to him in private mails, calmly pointing out to him that we and I had nothing to do with it.

Isn't that right Stefan?

Quite frankly your track-record is so appaling that it is a small miracle we don't ignore you altogether.

[SnowBord]

flame away, boys n girls...

shouldnt this thread be renamed 'The public vs Kronos'??
It seems to have absolutely no relation to the original point of the post.

[mikeymike]

Rodney, I pretty much agree that opensource projects are the most open about PR and new stuff in operating systems, and for the reasons you said.

However, it is spelt "secrets", not 'secreats' :-)

[DaveP]

Im sure theres something about casting the first stone.

[falemagn]

HyperionMP wrote:
No AROS code whatsoever was used for OS 4.

Which doesn't mean that you haven't even looked at it, which would be really hard to believe (in other words, I wouldn't believe you if you told me that you never ever LOOKED at the AROS source code).

-- EDITED --

I had forgotten that in AOS3.5/3.9 some parts of AROS have been used, and if anything it would be pretty stupid to reinvent the wheel for AOS4.x.

-- /EDITED

This is hardly surprising if you consider that AROS is only meant to be compatible with 3.1 at source-code level.

Oh dear  :roll: ... one false statement and one contraddiction in the same sentence :-)

First of all, AROS is NOT meant to be compatible only at the source level, as what you can read on the AROS website states. Then, even if that were to be the case, your statement would contraddict your previous acknowledgement of MOS using AROS code because, as everyone knows, MOS IS binary compatible with AmigaOS.

-- EDITED --

Can't help but thinking that such false statements and contraddictions can't and must not go unnoticed by the rest of the people. It might seems something insignificant, but think about it more: why spreading lies? Why contraddicting oneself so blatantly?

Let me elaborate a bit more. First, HyperionMP says that MOS uses AROS code, and specifically modules which, as he himself says, are pretty large parts of AOS3.1. Now, we all know that MOS is binary compatible with AOS3.1, nonetheless in a successive post HyperionMP states that AOS4.x uses zero parts of AROS, and this is because, allegedly, AROS is not meant to be binary compatible with AOS3.1, which is 1) untrue and 2) in contraddiction with his previous statement...

Think about it people.

[redrumloa]

Wow this thread is a hot bed :-o  At least there doesnt seem to be straight out personal insults, that's an improvement;-)

Anyhow good to see the Hyperion crew commenting in here. Bring on OS4! I can't wait to see some healthy competition between 2 available solutions!

(Subliminal message to Ben Hermans - I Ben Hermans want an OS4 kit for the Pegasos)

 :-D

[ksk]

Aos4 on tour ... great, well done.


But this thread .........  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(

[Kronos]

@Ben
"calmy pointing" ?

It really is that lawyers do speak a language of there own ......
(he was more or less threating to pull me to court over that).

I also see no reason to pull my back my statements from back than, as I still think that Ainc's claim of Amithlon being unlicenced
(and since they never went to court over it, it is still just a claim) is connected to them (you) wanting to have the  OS3.5/9-sources
(at your conditions).

Heck. it took AInc allmost a year after Amithlon was 1st sold till they made a public statement about it (the get-legal-or-shut-down-
speech), but even than they didn't dared to put names on those they wanted to blame.

This should have been (by far) the easiest to proove of all the accustations, and the release of Umilator would have brought some cash.

But still nothing, and you still want me that there wasn't any foul play towards H&P ? Sorry, but Mr Haage may be a
controversial character, but atleast his view on that made SOME sense.