Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150

[James]

Was it necessary to post 4 times in a row to say this?

[da9000]

Just a little clarification: I'm passionate about what I write and Amigas, so please don't be fully offended when reading my posts... I wasn't angry and yelling at you in particular, just being very assertive and speaking in general. Blah, you can always ignore it too, but I just hope my logic can be seen as lucid and reasonable.

And with that: Amiga OR DIE! :-D

[da9000]

@James:

I find it hard to read posts with multiple quotes, so I was trying to keep each quote separate. Forgive the wordiness.

[jbuonacc]

da9000 wrote:
... because afterall, you want it for free, because you THINK it's worth as much as an Atari, etc...

?? not sure i understand this one... a stock Falcon030 is worth a good bit more than a comparable(?) A1200, and a nice ST setup will get more than an A500. they're not exactly spec'd alike, but as for comparing competing models...

and of course everyone knows that Atari's product design and quality control were always leagues beyond that of Commodore/Amiga. ;-)

[huronking]

Ok, so anyone have a piss-yellow A1200 for sale?

 :-D  :-D  :-D

[jbuonacc]

terminator4 wrote:
... an amiga 1200 can be worth as much $400, with network card, rom 3.1/os 3.1 and 16mb and 68030 board.  but definitely more than $150.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150098912316

is that thing just missing a screw in the right front, or is it more serious? looks pretty scary, love the way he describes it as 'mint'. :lol:

[justthatgood]

First an word of opinion to a lot of eBay haters.

Screw you!!!!

That's call the power of free market. People pay what they feel is important. People sell that stuff for what people are willing to pay. I guess you can offer whatever you want for hardware. That is your right. If you want to be a cheapskate, that is your right too. If you put your stuff out in a public forum, it is also someone elses right to tell you off.

As for "trolling", it's usually reserved for inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic type of  statements that are usually aimed at pissing people off IE: Yahoo's now disabled News Discussions. It's doesn't really work unless you are weak and take the 'bait'.  Trust  me if you want to see trolling, I could show you REAL trolling.

I guess I'm one of those GREEDY ebayers. God forbid I want to make a little money to actually live. Charity is sweet, but it doesn't help you eat. Sorry but I live in the world of reality sometimes. The world revolves around money. To get power you need money. Very few people listen to a poor man. True I might not have liked selling some stuff to Boogiegail of all people, but at least I eventually got my money to be able to get food to eat.

Sure it's nice to get deals. I respect that. If you want to be a skinflin be that way. But I also respect peoples right to make money, no matter how "dirty" it might be to some people. I also respect peoples decision to by what ever the hell they want.  

[gdanko]

God forbid I want to make a little money to actually live.

Then get a job

Charity is sweet, but it doesn't help you eat.

That's not always the case. What about soup kitchens?

eBay gouges you the seller ever more. You pay them to list the ad, you pay them based on how much it sells for, and you pay them if you use their PayPal service. Now they tell you what you can and can't sell. I know a guy who tried to sell a legit copy of Solaris and eBay removed his ad stating it was illegal, even though it was stated as being a legit copy.

eBay is no measuring stick by which to gauge an item's worth.

[gdanko]

huronking wrote:
Ok, so anyone have a piss-yellow A1200 for sale?

 :-D  :-D  :-D

Ask Doomy. He'll only charge you $1200 because the yellow edition 1200 is rare.

[jbuonacc]

if 'Doomy' comes through clean on the A500 i just grabbed for $30, i'll consider him a-ok. he'd better include the PSU like he stated as well. hopefully it's not 'stolen'. :-( looks like his feedback rating is hurting his sales, nobody else even bid on the thing. poor guy...

also, 'geekygeorge' is *not* 'retrogeek'.

[kd7ota]

About the argument of an emulator vs the real thing...

He is right.  :-D

It's convenient to just load up an emulator and play away, but it definately takes away from the true experience...  I recently took out my commodore 64 and been sorting files on the disks like crazy via the XM1541 cable on my pc.  Im planning on getting it setup so I can play once again the good old c64 games.

Emulator is the same thing, but it just isnt the same. :-)

[da9000]

jbuonacc wrote:

?? not sure i understand this one... a stock Falcon030 is worth a good bit more than a comparable(?) A1200, and a nice ST setup will get more than an A500. they're not exactly spec'd alike, but as for comparing competing models...

jbuonacc, I was talking about general prices, not specific comparisons. In general most Atari items (in my experience) are cheaper than Amiga items.

jbuonacc wrote:
and of course everyone knows that Atari's product design and quality control were always leagues beyond that of Commodore/Amiga. ;-)

I can't profess any true expertise in Ataris, so I'll take your word here, although this is the first time I hear of this quality issue. Personally I've never really had major problems with the Amiga build quality, but it certainly wasn't top notch.

BTW, good catch on the A1200 with the split (or so it looks) bottom. I'd guess a screw or something, as I've had similar problems with A500's and screw "sockets" going bad...


As for Doomy and the A500... I don't know if you've read through forums, it seems you're new here, but I don't think he's what you call "a poor guy". And it seems like you're playing with fire... so don't come crying back if you get stung (as many, MANY, people have in the past; here, check this out: http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=retrogeek001&Dirn=Received+by)

[da9000]

@gdanko:

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

That was the BEST Doomy joke so far :-D


As for eBay and gripes, it's not different than any other (capitalistic) business. Money is their bottom line. Investors are their bosses, and they're greedy by default. So the company, or corporation more correctly, will always push to increase margins. Of course those increase only by our explotation. I don't like it either, "but I understand", as Chris Rock would have said. Perhaps I'm still too naive about it..

I had no idea about eBay limiting sales (like the Solaris incident you mentioned). I hope it's not wide-spread; I surely wouldn't like that happening to me or anyone else either!

[da9000]

@kd7ota:

Exactly what I was trying to say :-) And I also got the same feeling when hooking up an old Amiga after some time... It's the exact same feeling.

But like I said: "all with measure". Having the best of both worlds is the way to go.

[jbuonacc]

@ da9000 - right, i guess it depends what products you're looking at.

as for general quality, it's like comparing a Toyota to a Chevy (or something like that). certainly nothing 'wrong' with Commodore/Amiga really, but an Atari is built like a tank comparatively. even the 65/130xe series and accessories. anything before that, not so well designed. an A500/A1200 could probably be broken over your knee, an ST/Falcon030 could kill somebody. i'm a fan of both, though Atari isn't so appealing any more after 'discovering' Amiga.

as for 'RetroGeek' - we'll see. he says it's in fine condition and works perfectly, i guess i'll find out. with my luck though, it'll be a PAL unit. yeah, he's a weird dude. spent some time reading through his website one night, what a laugh! he's quite into himself - and where *does* he get these prices? for as much as he slags the A1200, i wonder if he'll give me his. :-D

[justthatgood]

@gdanko

I'm going to try to be nice about this, so I'm going to just say this. Not every state in the country has the same job market. As I can see you live in Sunny California. I don't personally know the job there so I can't comment on it.

But I do know the job market here. Before you even get around to saying something cliche like "if there are no jobs, then move", many people have legitimate reasons they have to stay in the place they are.

Lets see. We have very high state taxes, 6% sales tax (not really that bad). Most of our government officials don't know how to spend money so you get screwed out of taxes to pay for many of their mistakes. You really can't own a house with more value then $75,000 (cheap bungalow style) or in some counties you might get screwed by property taxes.

As for the jobs. A majority of them in the city are crappy retail jobs (if you are very lucky you might get paid $7.00 and hour) with no opportunity for making overtime. The average that can get a job will make about $6.15 an hour and will only be allowed to work about 28 hours a week. Most have to try to scramble to get a second job to make up (average about $400) rent. Most of the other jobs will not work around your other jobs schedule so you will be looking for a longer time.

Most of the "high-tech" or fast paced careers left most the area because they weren't able to keep good executives happy and occupied while there here. Get get anything over $8.00, you will have to try your luck at getting a factory job traveling at least 56 miles a day. Most of those jobs are taking by people that have seniority of at least 10 years, and they aren't going to give up their 'easy money' without a fight.

Frankly most places could careless if you get paid much, or if you have a place to live, because they would just tell you to try to get welfare and section 8 housing. For you information, I have a job. One that I work too damn hard at, for so little pay. So eBay isn't perfect. Hell, I wish I would have had the idea for eBay back in the day, maybe I would have been rich.

You can't even compare San Diego with most parts of Indiana. It's like comparing apples with cantaloupe. Two totally different job markets. Two totally different cultures. Two totally different economies.