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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2007, 10:52:58 PM »
So basically, you are saying that gun crime is the fault of blacks and it's about time they took responsibility for it.
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2007, 02:22:05 AM »
Nope, it's the fault of Governments that create consequence-free environments for armed criminals.

Ever wonder why you never get mass shootings (random or otherwise) at police stations, military bases, gun clubs......?

I reckon it might have something to do with the high concentration of armed personnel, and the extreme risk of the offender being blown to tiny bits the second they start harming others - but that's just my opinion.

I've yet to encounter any sensible alternative view, but I haven't closed the door to it.
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 08:49:05 AM »
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"Black Community Leaders" eh?

Which "Black Community" do they claim to speak for I wonder, or is that just a nice tabloid friendly label dreamed up by some PC bra burner?


We have a gunfight to determine which BC's leader gets grand poobah status.  :lol:


It's good you turned up.

I was hoping you'd help the rest of us understand this situation... :lol:
 

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 08:52:08 AM »
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I reckon it might have something to do with the high concentration of armed personnel, and the extreme risk of the offender being blown to tiny bits the second they start harming others - but that's just my opinion.

I think it's to do with the way that they recruit people.

Keep the guns, get rid of the weirdo's
 

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 09:36:18 PM »
iamaboringperson:

"Keep the guns, get rid of the weirdo's"

Are there any firearm fans that arent weirdos?
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 11:20:46 PM »
Well said Mel_zoom, couldn't agree more.

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 11:27:06 PM »
Depends what you mean by 'firearms fan.'
 

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 11:27:26 PM »
Try www.flashbunny.org for a list of famous gun nuts.
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2007, 12:43:10 AM »
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Well said Mel_zoom, couldn't agree more.

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2007, 12:01:32 PM »
X-ray:

"Depends what you mean by 'firearms fan.'"

Thats easy. Anybody who finds firearms exciting and fun for their own sake or feels that owning one makes them somehow cool or important. It doesnt.

A firearm is a tool that is solely the end result of people unable to get along.
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2007, 12:15:04 PM »
"...A firearm is a tool that is solely the end result of people unable to get along..."
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Well, many would disagree with you there. Granted, firearms are the preferred weapon in combat between troops today, but men have fought each other with all sorts of weapons throughout the ages. I have firearms and I also have bows. Both classes of weapons have been used in conflicts, and both classes of weapons are currently in use for target shooting and in some instances hunting. I have an assortment of cutlery and tools that can be used as weapons too.
But I get along just fine with our fair citizens, whether I am in South Africa or in the UK.
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2007, 05:20:32 PM »
X-Ray:

I think you misunderstood me. All of the weapons you describe were designed with the sole objective of killing and maiming (and only maiming as a side effect of inefficiency).

It doesnt really matter if they have any other use as these will always be an afterthought. Guns, bows, swords, artillery, bombs, mines, take your pick. Not one of them has any intrinsic redeeming features of any kind. All these weapons are the end product of a species that is incapable of reason beyond a certain point and therefore must resort to violence to settle any dispute.

I see a gun and all I can see is a metallic incarnation of all that is base and wrong with the human race.
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2007, 07:19:07 PM »
I see.
So, do you want to come shooting with me, Mel?  :lol:
 

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2007, 07:53:41 PM »
X-Ray:

No thankyou but I would be interested in hearing what the attaction is supposed to be. I can see that marksmanship requires skill and a steady hand, but there are plenty of more constructive passtimes you can exercise those exact same skills and gain satisfaction from. Photography is a good example. Shooting at something to me seems to be the exact opposite application of the same skills - destroying something simply for the sake of doing it well.

Can you honestly look at a gun with full knowledge of its intended purpose, knowing how many lives it has ultimately cost and regard it as something positive and worthwhile? Can you admire it as a thing of beauty when you know how ugly its purpose?
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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2007, 08:48:47 PM »
"...Can you honestly look at a gun with full knowledge of its intended purpose, knowing how many lives it has ultimately cost and regard it as something positive and worthwhile? Can you admire it as a thing of beauty when you know how ugly its purpose?..."
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Well firstly, no firearm I have owned has ever been a thing of beauty. Not because I don't think a firearm is capable of being a thing of beauty, but because they simply weren't. In fact they were/are dog ugly.  :lol:

However, bearing in mind that a firearm is a crafted, engineered item, it is as much worthy of being described as a thing of beauty as any other inanimate object, whether it is an Amiga computer, a fighter jet or a fountain pen. Some firearms are beautifully crafted, and are collector's items (such as Holland & Holland shotguns).
Others are so precisely engineered and have such good ergonomics that they have an aesthetic kind of beauty. Kind of like when form meets function (such as the precision Anschutz rifles).

I can appreciate why some people admire the engraving on a gun and the finely crafted stock, possibly made of walnut. Some of these people don't even fire those, the guns become 'safe queens.'

Well I have to admit that I don't care much about the looks of a firearm. I just want it to be accurate and have good ergonomics and safety features. That's because I want to be able to comfortably aim the thing and hit my target.

Now you say, what is the big deal about target shooting? Surely I can find something to replace that? Well video games are nice, I play darts, I've tried paint ball and laser tag. But none of those require the discipline and skill it takes to hit a target at distance with a precisely-aimed projectile. There isn't a substitute for the real thing. It is like substituting YOU for a sock...see what I mean?
 

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Re: Shootings and gangs: black community leaders speak up
« Reply #29 from previous page: February 20, 2007, 08:54:06 PM »
"...Can you honestly look at a gun with full knowledge of its intended purpose, knowing how many lives it has ultimately cost and regard it as something positive and worthwhile? Can you admire it as a thing of beauty when you know how ugly its purpose?..."
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Well, I have firearms, Mel. They haven't cost any lives, don't have an ugly purpose and are definitely worthwhile having.
I think it must be because I bought my guns from a dealer who only sells guns that were brought up by good parents and are not made from cursed metals. I have never had complaints from the authorities about my guns being evil. I guess mine are just well-behaved   ;-)

Now these dudes in south London, shooting each other...I feel sorry for them. Clearly they are under the influence of evil guns. They must have got their guns from a dodgy dealer. I bet you if I give them my guns and they give me theirs, then they will become good citizens with no record, and I will become a one man crime-wave  :-D