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Re: Where did the Apple come from?!
« Reply #104 from previous page: June 06, 2003, 09:19:04 AM »
Mommy... Will it remain so? Threads with hundred posts each time I come to work?

Who has the time to read each? :-) Be gentle please, post slower :-):-):-)
 

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Re: Where did the Apple come from?!
« Reply #105 on: June 06, 2003, 09:22:44 AM »
Hey Warface, Id like to have a proper conversation with you at some point. Are you on any instant messaging protocol?
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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #106 on: June 06, 2003, 09:23:52 AM »
Hey SlimJim...that is an avatarasorous right?!  We have not seen too many of them lately.  Are you are just lurking around here looking for a few cavemen to munch up?!  Or have you been on a extended steller exploration mission again?  BTW, while you are gazing up into the stars would you keep an eye out for...

Pegsin Space!

errm...this was about cavemen wrong thread Bill...

Actually, it was about OS4 for the Pegasos Raquel!  

Oh yes!  About that...

Last week/weekend we received a few emails from people that said Fleecy had been mentioning and OS4 Kit for Peg II owners and that Ben had discussed bring OS4 to an OpenFirmware standard.  We thought was a great  idea, so we started a little discussion about *fire*.  Anyway, the flames managed to work themselves in, but they were kept to a minimum, thank goodness.  No one got burnt and we all had fun around the fire!

Anyway, DaveP, your little Japanese I -love-you-bunny avatar looks like the perfect meal for SlimJim!  Let get that fire buring guys otherwise the OS4 campfire is going to be pretty loney with that old wood the guys chopped up a long time ago....;-)  There just is not enough of it to get a decent meal cooked!!!  :-P

Tonight!

Sing around the Campfire!!! Or, also titled:

Can things like Kanzaa become legitimate businesses?  Apple's charging too much.  Do they want to become an MP3 "label" for start up bands/groups?

We are going to get something going like this with our own POP-IDOL!  Details SOON!!!

:-D

R&B :-)

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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #107 on: June 06, 2003, 09:37:51 AM »
The bunny is a character called Miffy.

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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #108 on: June 06, 2003, 10:54:02 AM »
@bbrv
 
Heh, not my avatar is not a Avatarasorous. The
Avatarasorous is much smaller. My avatar rather depicts
the three-meter head of a Dracocéphalum Elementalis
Rex
*, commonly known as the Great Dragon.

These sentient carnivourous animals can be found in all
terrain. Fully grown (after a youth lasting almost 50 years),
they reach a length of about 25 meters while weighing in at
about 90 tonnes. The wing span of a fully grown dragon is
about 60 meters (some 600 square meter of total wing
area). Their brains are eight times larger than a human brain
and even though very alien in thought they often quickly
learn to replicate human languages by careful high-pitched
vibration of their head-pansar. The Dragon tongue itself is
three meters long and incapable of pronouncing human
languages - it is used in the Draconic language referred to
(quite logically) as Dragontongue**.
 
For the amateurs Dracologists, I'll give an excerpt from L.
Canberras excellent Field Dracology, today and
tomorrow
(D&A publ.):

Quote

[...]The safest way to observe a [Great] Dragon is from a
safe distance. Find an observing point no less than three
kilometers from its lair. In some areas where a Dragon
hunts, locals have constructed special reinforced shelters -
ask for those! If you are lucky, you can spot it as it lifts
from its lair or from catching something on the ground.
(Check the local newspapers for sightings. Dracology
specialist publications such as "Teeth and Claw" or "Dracol"
publish montly lists of dragon sightings)
[...]
Caution: remember that the Dragon has much better eyesight than
you. Always assume that if you can see it, it can see you
too.


For further information on these fascinating animals, I refer
to the original published article in Dracol by Dracologie
professor S.Regandell (Dracol nr 3, 417, Chile 2002.)
 
But if you have any further easy questions, just ask and I
might be able to answer.
.
SlimJim


*) Dracocéphalum is latin for "Dragon's head" (from Greek
"drakon" and "kefale" meaning "Dragon" and "head"
respectively) Elementalis is a historical reference to this
animal's domination in all the traditional elements, including
fire. "Rex", finally means king. It can be discussed whether
or not the Great Dragon deserve this title as it is certainly
not the biggest member of the Dracocéphalum animal
subgroup - the Great Sea Serpent is much bigger. History
and tradition are the culprits here; The Great Dragon was
simply discovered much earlier than the Sea Serpent. For
fairness, the latin name of the Great Sea Serpent,
Dracocéphalum Aquarius Rex, denotes it as the "king of
water". For further background on early encounters
between humans and dragons, we refer to "Ecyclopaedia
Draconis Imperatis" by E.Chao et al (D&A publishing)


**) Human understanding of the Dragontongue is
limited, and the syllabic alphabet created to put the known
words on paper is longer than the list of actual known
words. Today 164 words in Dragontongue is known. Of
these, 40 are Draconian names, 2 are verbs, 4 are
adjectives and 118 are different classes of threats and
insults.

 

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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #109 on: June 06, 2003, 11:05:17 AM »
... and no, I have not been on any "extended stellar exploration
mission" - wish I was. I have been working on my Master
Thesis, and it is not in Dracologoly...
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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #110 on: June 06, 2003, 11:05:39 AM »
-Double post. Sorry.-
 

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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #111 on: June 06, 2003, 11:47:48 AM »
@BBRV

Since i have no patience at all ...

HURRY UP !!   :-D  :-D  ;-)
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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #112 on: June 06, 2003, 12:15:56 PM »
Hi SlimJim, thanks for the interesting reading!  But, just to keep things on topic does that particular order of dragons have any genes or more precisely species that are *fire* breathers?

And, what is the thesis about?

Sorry, Kees just been to busy doing other things to really think!  :-)

R&B

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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #113 on: June 06, 2003, 12:57:02 PM »
@bbrv
 
To answer your question, I once again quote the Draconic
litterature.

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"The insides of the Dragon ribcage is practically empty,
leaving two huge spaces, each inlined with a sack
membrane having a volume of 16.5 cubic meters. The
outer walls of the second chamber of each "gasmaker"
organ faces the inside of these sacks and the hydrogen
from the chemical breakdown is stored like in a balloon. In
fact it's exactly like a balloon, since these sacks, commonly
referred to as the flying sacks allows the dragon to lift
its immense weight off the gound without having the
anatomically impossible bodymass/ wingmusclemass
normally required for such an heavy animal to fly. [...]

The hydrogen production never stops as long as there are
water left in the lower part of the refeeding stomach. When
the flying sacks are full, the dragon must expell gas. It does
so by contracting the ring of muscels of the chest. The
pressure expells the gas at high speed through two canals
at the foremost end of the sacks [...] the gas joins in a
cartellage conduit leading all the way through the throat to
the "fire-breathing" apparatus in the skull bone.

[...]
The "fire breathing" of the Great Dragon is actually not a
natural treat of the species, but a mix of anatomical
perfection, intelligence and cultural influence. A dragon is
not born with this ability, rather it has to be taught. [...] The
dragon eats a stone of flint and use the tongue to place it
right on top of the hollow connecting the gas-expellation
chamber and the mouth. A second stone is nudged at the
tooth seeling the side of the hollow. With practice, the
dragon can now snap its teeth shut to produce a spark at
the same time expelling gas from its flying sacks. Since the
dragon is simultaneously exhaling breathing air through the
connection between the mouth and expellation chamber, an
over-pressure is built up in the expellation chamber and the
hot gas mix is pushed with great force through the three
holes in the front of the dragon cranium. If the mix is ignited
by the flint- spark, it ignites a few centimeters outside the
expell holes, causing a thin flaming cone of burning
hydrogen up to twelve meters long. The effective range of
this "fire weapon" is however reduced due to hydrogen
dissipates so quickly - reducing the useful range to eight
meters - actually comparable to the reach the Dragon has
with its front paws. For this reason the fire-weapon is
almost only used as a defensive or tactical weapon by the
dragon. [...]
 
[...] So in no way is the dragon actually "breathing" fire.
Instead the ignited hydrogen is expelled from the three exit
holes in the chin, below the mouth. Since the expellation
cavity links to the mouth, these holes are often used to
drink water from pools of water whicj are too shallow for
the dragon to dip its long head - their function is similar to a
straw.
 
Normally, the gas is not ignited, rather the hydrogen from
the over-full flying sacks are just dispersed in a harmless
gust. [...]"

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Hope this answers your question. Other notable animals
belonging to the Draconis animal group (not the
Dracocephalii) are the smaller Hydra Elementalis and
the Chineese Dragon.

(excerpts are from  the Encyclopaedia Draconis Imperatis  VII)
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Re: OS4 KIT for Pegasos II Owners
« Reply #114 on: June 06, 2003, 01:03:08 PM »
@bbrv
 
... and my thesis is about a binary star. I'm the first to
analyse it so it's quite interesting: Two solar-like stars orbiting
each other at a distance of 1/10 of the distance between Earth
an our sun... :-)
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Re: What's this about a OS4 Pegasos kit?
« Reply #115 on: June 06, 2003, 02:13:06 PM »
> Edit: And the best of luck to people who are buying A1s for logical
 or personal reasons. But to buy them just because they have the name...
 it borders on madness.

@KennyR; you don't think that buying an A1 solely to run
AmigaOS4 on Twenty-First Century hardware is a more common (& VALID)
reason?

(i.e. compared with CyberstormPPC (maxing at 200MHz?); particulary when
not all classic Amiga owners own A3k/4k with-or without PPC Accelerators!)

To be sure, when the specs of BOTH Pegasos(1) and AmigaOneSEs were
available, on face value it did look like the Pegasos had the
superior specifications (particulary with the included Firewire) . . . . .

 ° But, what then happened? In spite of April1 and April2 -- how many Peg
   Users are running G4s?

 ° I've already read on THIS thread that a Peg Owner(?) doesn't consider
   that the absense of Firewire Driver/s is a concern!

 ° IF MOS is so wonderful, why the desire to have AmigaOS4 on the Peg?

THESE are IMO valid reasons to (if only buying ONE of the platforms) go for
the A1 instead of the Peg!!!

If a low price was the only real concern --
 should not the cheapskates just stick with x86?
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Re: Campfire Story!
« Reply #116 on: June 06, 2003, 03:11:19 PM »
bbrv said, at the end of a confusing ramble about
 commercial Cavemen:
 
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BIBLICAL NOTE: It was a fruit that Eve had, wasn't it?!

Yes, an Apple no less! Now, think about that and get back here!

No it wasn't --
Gen 2:9 ... the tree of life also in the midst of the garden,
and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst
of the garden
, Elohim(Mighty Ones) hath said, Ye shall not eat of
it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
 
 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one
wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto
her husband with her; and he did eat.

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

So, no apple, just called the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil
, . . . . .

A moral story of law -- lying -- and disobedience!

There has been (on this forum) a lot of talk;
 of law,
 of lying,

( To Paraphrase) --- And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
. . . in the day . . . And when the woman saw that the Pegasos was
good for software, and small, and it was pleasant to the bank balance,
she took of the computer thereof, and gave unto her husband with her;
and he did operate it.

 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were
naked; and they put T-Shirts togather, and pulled them on. :-)

-vortexau; who\\\'s still waiting! (-for AmigaOS4! ;-) )
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Re: What's this about a OS4 Pegasos kit?
« Reply #117 on: June 06, 2003, 03:23:47 PM »
@Madgun68
[floppy and firewire drivers]
I only wanted to show you that total support of  Pegasos1 isn't a priority even for Genesi.
If hypotetically OS4 was going to be released for the Genesi machines I would find more interesting to support the Pegasos2 because it's going to be produced in higher quantities and writing drivers fora new board needs quite a lot of time. Users of Pegasos I can upgrade to Pegasos2 if they want, so it makes more sense for me to support a machine that is going to be produced in thousands of units and has a future than a machine no longer produced with only 600 users that can upgrade to the new machine... of course this is blah blah because it's all hypotetic, but I only wanted to show you why I would support first Pegasos2 rather than Peggy1.
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Re: What's this about a OS4 Pegasos kit?
« Reply #118 on: June 06, 2003, 04:36:23 PM »
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vortexau wrote

To be sure, when the specs of BOTH Pegasos(1) and AmigaOneSEs were
available, on face value it did look like the Pegasos had the
superior specifications (particulary with the included Firewire) . . . . .

° But, what then happened? In spite of April1 and April2 -- how many Peg
Users are running G4s?

Wait for the Peg ][ before asking that.
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° IF MOS is so wonderful, why the desire to have AmigaOS4 on the Peg?

Read what bbrv wrote.  From what I get out of it they are more intrested in selling hardware and bringing OS4 would probably mean more sales also I would like to be able to try both without needing 2 mother boards.
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THESE are IMO valid reasons to (if only buying ONE of the platforms) go for the A1 instead of the Peg!!!

If a low price was the only real concern --
should not the cheapskates just stick with x86?

Yes but I like my money and the money I save buying a Peggy could be used on software or hardware for the Peggy.

Thus why this will be a factor when I decide on if I'm going to lay down more money on a eyetech Amige One just for OS4  or go with the peggy at least for the short term.  Price is a deciding factor not just for me but I bet others too.
 

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Re: What's this about a OS4 Pegasos kit?
« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2003, 05:50:31 PM »
If you REALLY[/i] want something...

The price is irrelevent !!