Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003

I need to stop right here and make a very clear distinction please.

When I look at Amiga Inc managers, I see two very distinctive differences.  

1) The Manager
If Amiga Inc's management is ousted tomorrow, that would be none too soon for me.  They've done a pitiful job at it and this is where I would see a change in management at AI as a "Good Thing for this community".  If real managers -- such as Garry Hare -- were brought in, Amiga Inc might stand a chance, and a new Amiga might have been born.  According to Amiga Inc however, this is not the case.  There is no new management, and I personally consider that a damned shame.

2) The People involved.
Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" Moss, Gary Peake, Ray Akey and the others are indeed human beings.  I have considered each of them (save "Fleecy") good friends at one time or another on a personal basis.  

I do not have anything against any of these people outside of their official capacity as Amiga Inc management and staff.  I do not wish that any other human being suffer through bankruptcy and hardship for following their dreams.  

Bad Karma don'tcha know.

The trouble, and the reason for this post is that keeping the dividing line drawn between the official management and the people is rather difficult at times.  

Most of you see my stances as being attacks on the personal people involved where that simply is not true.  My stance is strongly against the official management, not the people behind Amiga Inc.

[DaveP]

What was the topic again, oh yes, trademarks.

Maybe someone will Ask Fleecy (TM)

Which reminds me, where is the BBRV interview?

@DaveP

RE: Ask "Fleecy" -- why bother?  We all know his answer will be some derivation of the truth and outright lies... Sorry, benefit of doubt no longer applies to "Ask `Fleecy`".

RE: BBRV Interview -- Dunno, let me ask BBRV and Kees what the holdup is?

[Vincent]

If real managers -- such as Garry Hare -- were brought in, Amiga Inc might stand a chance, and a new Amiga might have been born.

Simple question:

Is Garry Hare part of Amiga Inc's management or not then?

It's not meant to be flame bait, it's just a simple question.

[bloodline]

DaveP:

And I get it wrong and have to apologise. But I am not pro-Amiga Inc but nor am I pro-Genesi. I AM however pro-AOS4 because Ive tried it and like it. No secrets there.

Cool, when did you get to do that? Is there any way for other, to play with it?

Wane:
Have you tried AROS? just wondering what you think of it.  :-)

[MayhemMaybe]

"- Amiga Inc has no legal trademarks (just to stay on topic)"

This apears to be incorrect.

Word Mark POWERED BY AMIGA
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: computers, computer peripherals, and computer operating systems. FIRST USE: 19970900. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19970900
Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 010725 261701
Serial Number 75343350
Filing Date August 19, 1997
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Published for Opposition May 4, 1999
Registration Number 2369059
Registration Date July 18, 2000
Owner (REGISTRANT) AMIGA DEVELOPMENT LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY DELAWARE 600 NORTH DERBY LANE NORTH SIOUX CITY SOUTH DAKOTA 57049
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record P WESTON MUSSELMAN JR
Description of Mark Stippling in the drawing is a feature of the mark and is not intended to indicate color.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


Word Mark AMIGA
Translations The English translation of "Amiga" is friend.
Goods and Services IC 016. US 002 005 022 023 029 037 038 050. G & S: computer magazines. FIRST USE: 19860300. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19860300
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 75642361
Filing Date February 17, 1999
Published for Opposition November 23, 1999
Registration Number 2319266
Registration Date February 15, 2000
Owner (REGISTRANT) Amiga Development LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY DELAWARE 600 North Derby Lane North Sioux City SOUTH DAKOTA 57049
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record P. Weston Musselman, Jr.
Prior Registrations 1401045
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

It also apears the original trademark is still live:

Word Mark AMIGA
Translations FRIENDLY
Goods and Services IC 009. US 026 038. G & S: COMPUTERS, COMPUTER DISK DRIVES, RAM EXPANSION CARTRIDGES, COMPUTER MONITORS, AND COMPUTER MODEMS. FIRST USE: 19850723. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19850806
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 73571532
Filing Date December 4, 1985
Published for Opposition April 22, 1986
Registration Number 1401045
Registration Date July 15, 1986
Owner (REGISTRANT) COMMODORE-AMIGA, INC. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 983 UNIVERSITY AVENUE LOS GATOS CALIFORNIA 95030
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record JEFFREY C. KATZ
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

Vincent wrote:

If real managers -- such as Garry Hare -- were brought in, Amiga Inc might stand a chance, and a new Amiga might have been born.

Simple question:

Is Garry Hare part of Amiga Inc's management or not then?

According to "Fleecy" and Ray, they've "already answered that question".  

It's amazing to me however that no one here knows the answer.

Yes or no please, no "as far as I'm awares" or "as of right nows".

[Vincent]

Thanks Wayne.

As I've said before I don't ready anything from Fleecy at all.

More bs then, but from who I'm not saying :-P

MayhemMaybe wrote:
"- Amiga Inc has no legal trademarks (just to stay on topic)"

This appears to be incorrect.

No, it doesn't.  None of the trademarks in question are registered to, or by Amiga Inc in Snoqualmie Washington.

Amiga Development LLC was Gateway's Amiga as noted by their address "600 NORTH DERBY LANE NORTH SIOUX CITY SOUTH DAKOTA 57049".  They no longer exist as a company.

The live one regarding Commodore-Amiga is the only interesting one of the bunch....

Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org

[teo]

Wayne, you seem to have skipped my previous questions...

[AmiGR]

Read what you pasted, Gateway x2, Commodore x1.

@teo

No, I didn't skip them, I ignored them.. There's a difference.  

1) whether you see a "harm" in telling you or not is irrelevant.  The issue of the ownership or sale of this site is none of your (or anyone else's) business.  The ownership of this site for the record has never changed.

2) it is very much on topic.  The topic is the trademark ownership by Amiga Inc.  "OS Development" is just the grouping, and this is an important enough subject that it NEEDS to be on the main page.  As such, which grouping would you prefer it to be in?  It's not an Amiga.org announcement, nor does it seem to fit anywhere else.

Because bad news for amiga inc is good news for amiga.org and it's sponsors. And thus deserves a place on the front screen (which it wouldn't get in the correct forum.)

You sir are very much out of line.  Remember, Hyperion is also a sponsor here.

This is not in talk about because the idea that Amiga Inc has lost the trademarks *IS VERY IMPORTANT*.  I'll be more than happy to remove the block on Talk about so that it appears on the main page if you like, but there is no more adequate grouping for it to be in.

Conversely, the only reason you're so hype on getting it taken off the front page is that you're very interested in covering up the truth.

Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org

[greenboy]

Hi GHauber : }

If Amiga Inc will not or can not meet such obligations as paying Bolton Peck, needs to be sued for this, and STILL cannot pay or will not pay, why are they deserving of community respect or support? It's sad that others have financial outcomes riding on involvement with a company that uses the community as it sees fit, ignores it as it sees fit, does not seem to honor its commitments, of which paying Bolton Peck is only one of many, and I sympathize with their situation. But that does not mean Amiga Inc should be given a community license to abuse their responsibilites elsewhere.

It also blows me away that community supporters who are probably NOT DE developers, nor are they [ex?]-employees hoping to see stock options, would continue to think the matter of not honoring such obligations is no big deal.

But if any such persons were in the same position as Bolton has been in maybe they would realize that it sux bigtime and that it is not an honorable company that would abuse such a responsibility. Sheesh, being willing to overlook any wrongly-treated individual's well-being just because you want Amiga Inc to survive is just crazy! Put yourself in the shoes of those who have been wronged and perhaps you will begin to see that glee is not involved.

[zee4]

@redrumloa,

The Amiga market has been unhealthy for too long, people exposed to it see reality a little off center.

Amiga Market? What you calling a "Market"?!
It's a CULT damnit.

Anyone who gets excited about 10 year old computers should know.

Zoltan

[odin]

*yawn*

Once again I'll repeat myself.

Y'all just suck.