Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003

[amimonkey]

@Wayne

You have to understand that from my point of view, I do not know the management of Amiga Inc, nor do I know you, so I cannot decide whether you are justified in the constant animosity towards them.

However, you have said the Amiga Inc have put you through hell for* YEARS* - was this before or after you offered to sell them the site?

Ian :-)

Wayne wrote:
@DaveP

Never claimed to be perfect.  Can you?  If I've misunderstood, I apologize but we are all very touchy.

Oooo err missuss!!! ;-)

[Vincent]

- Amiga Inc has no known employees (non-paid people are called `Volunteers`)

Does this mean that Garry Hare is not an employee of A.Inc? :lol:

[DaveP]

@Wayne

Never claimed to be perfect! Ever!

You KNOW that I have tried to do the right thing by you in the past and hopefully I don't have to go into that.

And I get it wrong and have to apologise.  But I am not pro-Amiga Inc but nor am I pro-Genesi. I AM however pro-AOS4 because Ive tried it and like it. No secrets there.

I apologise for calling you out on this in public, I should have done it in p-mail then I could have made myself clearer and then we wouldn't be having this misunderstanding.

It was purely because you do a good job of kicking those that label other people in the nuts when they need it I was surprised to see you getting carried away and doing it here and calling that guy a newbie.

But #### happens, we are all human and I was WRONG to call you out on it in public. I certainly didn't expect to be labelled as a man with a serious agenda as a result.

And Im sorry if I offended you.

@Ian

Amiga Inc's management, to include Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" Moss and others have lied to me, face to face for years before any offer was made.  Indeed, I have never had a single incident of meeting "Fleecy" face to face (circa 1997) -- or by e-mail for that matter -- where he did not blatantly lie to me, only he now defends it as "market speak" which is (to him) "perfectly acceptable" and "part of his job".

I hold no animosity towards Amiga Inc for not buying the site.  I'd rather they have used the money for paying their employees.

[Vincent]

@Wayne

I'd hope some of the money would go towards the releasing of products aswell ;-)

[Rudei]

@Wayne

Have you thought about handing control of the site to someone a little less involved?

[amimonkey]

@Wayne

Fair enough, I don't know the ins and outs of past events, so I'm not going to comment further (some other people may want to take note of this ;-)).

However, I find it pretty disgusting that people would see Amiga Inc going bankrupt as "A Good Thing" - they're just normal people like everybody else, not the demons they are made out to be IMO.

Ian :-)

[filson]

Anyone for a pint?
Seems it's getting a little hot around here  :-D

Regardless, nobody gets a McBill or Buck along the package of the next Amiga successor, so if peeps keep saying that they don't want to buy left or right because of this or that, maybe they should sign up for a Herbalife course. Those guys are very good at animating people regardless of validity of product.

nobody has any gains from splitting the commity .
we are all there's left. move up and move on.

cheers lads  :pint:  :pint:  :pint:

@DaveP

Certainly no need for you to apologize.  I do think however that you completely misunderstood the context of my message to the "newbie".

My point was that anyone who doesn't understand this animosity towards Amiga Inc obviously wasn't around pre-current owners to experience what the true Amiga community was like.

I honestly intended no insult nor degrading of his technical skills or whatever.  

In reference to OS4, if you used it and you like it, cool.  I have never seen it, and I don't own a single piece of old PPC hardware to run it on.  Not interested in buying any either.

I might be interested in running it on an AmigaOne, but as I said before (and was shouted down for), AmigaOS4 is not available on the AmigaOne, nor will it be for several months.

I have on the other hand tried MorphOS on my PegasosPPC motherboard and I do like it.  I don't personally have a lot of professional use for it, but it's much faster and much more usable than any other Amiga I've ever owned in the past.

I'm not saying that I like one more than the other.  After all, having never SEEN AmigaOS4, how would I know that?  I can say that I can put my hands on the physical 600mhz machine running MorphOS, meanwhile OS4 on an AmigaOne is nowhere to be seen.

It's all a perspective issue.  

@Rudei,

Never going to happen.  Anyone "less involved" would have closed this site years ago.

[Warface]

I have on the other hand tried MorphOS on my PegasosPPC motherboard and I do like it. I don't personally have a lot of professional use for it, but it's much faster and much more usable than any other Amiga I've ever owned in the past.

Don't use that word [EDIT: "usable"] :-) DaveP will eat you for breakfast  ;-)  

Just kidding tho  :-D

[teo]

@wayne

It has never been a secret that I have offered to sell this site to a number of Amiga related companies or to anyone who is willing to meet my price. That offer is no longer available.

Out of curiosity, seeing that its no longer on offer so theres no harm in telling us, what exactly was your asking price to these companies?

Id also like to know why its no longer on offer now? are you dead set against and why?


my usual rant, why is this topic not in talk about? even if it had stayed on topic to the title its still not relevant to OS development (unless you want to try and use a lame excuse such as "hyperion wont be able to use the amiga name for aos4 if ainc dont own the trademark" which would be a real stretch)...

[zudobug]

why is this topic not in talk about?

Because bad news for amiga inc is good news for amiga.org and it's sponsors. And thus deserves a place on the front screen (which it wouldn't get in the correct forum.)

[restore2003]

The only important issue now is that a proper company with a solid checkbook, experience, and willpower to succeed steps up and takes over.

All of us want that! right?

  ;-)

I need to stop right here and make a very clear distinction please.

When I look at Amiga Inc managers, I see two very distinctive differences.  

1) The Manager
If Amiga Inc's management is ousted tomorrow, that would be none too soon for me.  They've done a pitiful job at it and this is where I would see a change in management at AI as a "Good Thing for this community".  If real managers -- such as Garry Hare -- were brought in, Amiga Inc might stand a chance, and a new Amiga might have been born.  According to Amiga Inc however, this is not the case.  There is no new management, and I personally consider that a damned shame.

2) The People involved.
Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" Moss, Gary Peake, Ray Akey and the others are indeed human beings.  I have considered each of them (save "Fleecy") good friends at one time or another on a personal basis.  

I do not have anything against any of these people outside of their official capacity as Amiga Inc management and staff.  I do not wish that any other human being suffer through bankruptcy and hardship for following their dreams.  

Bad Karma don'tcha know.

The trouble, and the reason for this post is that keeping the dividing line drawn between the official management and the people is rather difficult at times.  

Most of you see my stances as being attacks on the personal people involved where that simply is not true.  My stance is strongly against the official management, not the people behind Amiga Inc.