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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #119 from previous page: June 05, 2003, 08:49:14 AM »
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Yes. Rebranding a busted board and adding a buncha dollars to the price is real good work.


Busted, well if its busted how come mine works just fine and i'm posting from it ?

As your trademarks have already been registered to including pheonix  :-P

Have about regestering

Pegasorry and MorphOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ instead
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #120 on: June 05, 2003, 09:51:56 AM »
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People, please don't spam ,the nice moderators have told you too. Anyways, it's my opinion that not the trademark, but the sourcecode of 3.1 (or later for that matter) is what makes the OS 'Amiga' not that I'm against other OSes which also happen to be very nice.


It's Haage & Partner which owns the right for the latest official AmigaOS. Not Amiga Inc, and neither Hyperion. And guess what - it's Hyperion which owns the rights for OS4 [with some additional conditions]. Coincidence? :-)
 

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #121 on: June 05, 2003, 10:20:21 AM »
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Jeez even though Im #1 arrogant bastard I recognise the bias in myself.


In an ideal situation and a calm, prospering community it'd be easy to find some ideal, unbiased ppl. Yet, this community has been twisted, torn with insults, outright lies, etc. I bet there are no unbiased ppl anymore, just a few utterly biased citizens claiming that they are unbiased.

Yet as to amiga.org - I still ready to say that it's the most balanced amiga site. And while accusing Wayne, you have to admire his self restraint he presents at times.

It's not that easy to be unbiased (I'm biased too), yet I think, despite that many claims the contrary, he is aware of that and tries to remain somewhat balanced.

He is biased in a special way though. Under normal conditions one may protect all sides to some reasonable degree, in order to maintain the community. Amiga Inc achieved however, that Wayne just ignores them when trouble happens - he just verifies the facts, and that's all: he won't protect or screen their operation the way he do for anyone else.

Yet, it's up to him, and I have to mention: he does not do actual damage to Amiga Inc, just steps away and let the damage caused by AInc for themselves happen.

Lost of truth - parties harming the community may sooner or later loose the initial good will.

As to which is better for the community? Protecting AInc, or exposing the naked truth? Regarding that matter I trust Wayne's belief.

I have to add, that it's most probably because I personally don't like the current Amiga Inc management that much than I did when they started operating.


Forgive my ranting :-)
 

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #122 on: June 05, 2003, 10:32:23 AM »
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Forgive my ranting :-)


Ok, my turn.

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And while accusing Wayne, you have to admire his self restraint he presents at times.


Well I don't. He shows very little restraint. Always jumping in to defend bbrv and fuel the flames. I wish he would just let go and say what he feels. Get it out of his system and stfu.  Same goes for Buck.

Crap like this isn't doing anyone any good. If it is a joke, it's not funny.

I've now decided the only reason I am sticking around is to see OS4 in action. If any of this does enough damage to delay that anymore, I'm out of here. Screw this.
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #123 on: June 05, 2003, 10:35:20 AM »
@Warface

You completely underline rather than undermine my point.

If you find this confusing, read again what I wrote.

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #124 on: June 05, 2003, 10:48:36 AM »
You people seriously need your heads beating.

MarkTime, you are seriously out of touch. "Amiga" is not a generic term for alternative operating systems. It's a SPECIFIC term for a very SPECIFIC range of computers, operating systems, and associated technologies.

On that note, It doesn't matter that it's a word in the Spanish dictionary. Windows is a word in the English dictionary but Microsoft have a trademark on that. Intuition was too, how do you trademark immediate cognition?

You don't. Trademarks are not people snatching dictionary terms. It's about services and competition.

Trademarks are simply words which associate uniquely with your product in a specific marketplace, the point being that the unique association is protected by law.

This stops some other company coming along and selling stuff under your name, or similar.

For instance if I created a system now called the Genesi GameCube, as a small box that had a wired controller and played games, and started selling it, I'm sure Nintendo would send a band of Yakuza after me to make sure I never did it again.

If I made a Playstation and it was a baby toy with bells and buzzers and Korean-accented voices, Sony might be annoyed too, because you would be stealing their momentum and familiar brand name to advertise your product.

You see, people might be under the misguidance that the Tomy Play-Station, even though it's not a games console, was getting a bit close seeing as it is a child entertainment device.

But if I marketed a set of cat carriers and called them "Amiga Carriers", then Amiga Inc. couldn't sue me for it or even complain. There is no company association in the cat carrier market that Amiga Inc. can defend.

Note that there are plenty of "Lego" clones out on the market, but none of them will ever mention the word Lego. They may be compatible but they won't mention it directly..

So, basically, if Amiga do not hold the trademark, then anyone can use it without fear of legal retribution. In the Lego case, we could put a big sign on it saying "Works with all your old Lego!", which would normally be infringing their trademark (using their established brand to sell your product) but if they didn't own it then they can't protect it.

Who does own the trademark? Well.. we'll see. It would be hilarious if BBRV actually are successful in the application, since he could wipe Amiga Inc. out if he wanted to.
He's not that cruel, though, all you Amigans can breathe a sigh of releif.

I saw he was offering it to Wayne. THAT is something you can all be nervous about :)
 

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #125 on: June 05, 2003, 10:59:37 AM »
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Who does own the trademark? Well.. we'll see. It would be hilarious if BBRV actually are successful in the application, since he could wipe Amiga Inc. out if he wanted to.
He's not that cruel, though, all you Amigans can breathe a sigh of releif.


What compels him to post so much ####e and cause so many arguments if it isn't out of cruelty and self-interest? I think he would like to wipe Amiga Inc out, surely that is the point?

If amiga inc die and Wayne does end up with the trademark (not that I believe any of this crap) then he should just sell it to those Spanish lesbians and use the money to start a new site like genesi.org or welovebbrv.org (bad joke... all the rage.)
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #126 on: June 05, 2003, 11:08:52 AM »
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DaveP wrote:
@Warface

You completely underline rather than undermine my point.


The difference is that I find it acceptable.
 

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #127 on: June 05, 2003, 11:19:31 AM »
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Not at all. There is no difference. What I find "unnacceptable" is Wayne calling a guy a total newbie ( just because his POV differs and that is just one example from this thread ) and then giving other people hell for wearing bias blinkers.

In fact I don't find it unnacceptable, I find it perfectly normal behaviour. I was just delivering a reminder.
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #128 on: June 05, 2003, 11:20:14 AM »
This community is definitely in a pathetic state.

Please please please guys stop being so agressive / touchy / involved. Take some distance. Just consider what products you are offered. Stop your holy war.

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #129 on: June 05, 2003, 11:27:08 AM »
>sell it to those Spanish lesbians

Spanish lesbians...now 'that' sounds strangely
interesting...;)

 

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #130 on: June 05, 2003, 11:27:33 AM »
@mahen

Hey man does that include da Rudei?  :-)

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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #131 on: June 05, 2003, 11:53:21 AM »
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It's Haage & Partner which owns the right for the latest official AmigaOS.


Actually they own the code. Whether they own the right is another kettle of fish altogether.

In fact, even ownership of the code is debatable if some of the stories from the people who wrote that code are to be believed.

Let's say that H&P are in possession of the code and leave it at that.
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #132 on: June 05, 2003, 12:33:01 PM »
This thread is getting long and veering OT, it may go locky locky soon :-o
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #133 on: June 05, 2003, 12:41:19 PM »
OT? Was it ever on topic? Is this OS Development?

Gah, sorry. I'm in a bad mood today. I've already said a few things I'd normally keep to myself... But I feel better for it :-)
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Re: Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003
« Reply #134 on: June 05, 2003, 12:43:11 PM »
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I saw he was offering it to Wayne. THAT is something you can all be nervous about :)


Nah.. He offered it to AROS first... and I have the proof :-D