Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003

You justify this with the statement that the mark is "officially abandoned" like that justifies it. Have you thought that something like this can be an easy oversight for a company? You are blinded by your hatred of Amiga Inc and your desire to see them fail. Why can't you just let this kind of stuff rest?

-- Facts --

1) I didn't post the original article.

2) RE: "officially abandoned" -- Because it's a FACT, verified by the USPTO this afternoon via telephone call.  

--- My Opinions ---

3) I haven't tried at all to harm Amiga Inc in my statements or actions.  All I have done is verify the truth which is out there.  I cannot verify however that they won't update it tomorrow if McEwen gives them a credit card number (which I doubt very much he has any more of).

4) Amiga Inc is dying.  They are doing so by multiple self-inflicted gunshot wounds.  All we are doing is watching the proverbial car wreck come to a stop in slow motion.  There is absolutely nothing that anyone here outside of a multi-millionaire willing to throw away money can do to stop it.

You know, that has *never* made any sense to me. Why is the "community" so negatively influenced by Amiga Inc that the company failing would be a "good thing for the community".

No offense, but that is spoken like a true "newbie".  Those of us who've been deeply involved for YEARS remember what it was like when we had a true, large, supportive community.  That's not a slam against anyone here, but the remaining community is simply NOTHING like it used to be.

As someone who has seen things from a community perspective before the end of Commodore, I can tell you 100% straight up that the sorry state of things today rests totally on the shoulders of Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" Moss, and Amiga Inc.

Hell, even under Gateway's Amiga Inc, the community was supported and appreciated.  Amiga Inc does not do, nor have they ever done either.

Wayne Hunt
Amiga.org

[Siggy]

Wonder how much it would cost to buy - I mean if folks can pony up money for a Mozilla port project, how much could be ponied up to buy the damn name and let the community decide who uses it.

Wouldn't that open a can o' worms!

:-D

Siggy

[T_Bone]

Tomas wrote:

Targhan wrote:
@Tomas

Relax.

umm aint allowed to say my opinion on this matter before someone tells me to relax or call me a Troll?

I guess this isnt a discussion board is it?

"Discussion" is a two-way street. Relax.  :-D

[ghauber]

cheap dodge... they control amiga IP...and this is the amiga(and now clones) community...

They control Amiga OS and the Amiga DE.  They do not control MorphOS (currently Amiga OS 3.x compatible), they do not control AROS.  Unless there is an IP issue that could tie the noose around MorphOS's neck, then there shouldn't be a problem, unless I'm missing something. The community is not "beholden" to Amiga Inc.  Only those who wish to follow the "real" (according to some definition of "real") AmigaOS rely on Amiga Inc.  There *are* alternatives.  Or are things really so insecure that MorphOS needs official validation by Amiga Inc?

telling people 'agree with amiga.inc or leave the amiga community' is a pathetic outlook...

That's *not* what I said.  Let me say it again - if Amiga Inc does not go in the direction that the "community" wants it to go, then the "community" is perfectly capable (well, maybe not, seems like there is some sort of weird name-dependency cult going on) of moving in another direction - again, I call as witness the existence of MorphOS and AROS.

well I think it does...some feel jaded... some are angry about things they've had done to them and seen done to others... this isnt a fanclub of people devoted to amiga.inc...if people feel their hurting the community and doing wrong...they are free to let them know about it...

Yeah, some feel jaded and all that.  They are genuine feelings that people are allowed to have.  But how on earth does that justify belittling others (like myself) who have different experiences/different opinions?  I'm not saying noone's been wronged, noone's been hurt, I just don't think that justifies certain actions - there are much more mature ways of dealing with things.

[ghauber]

I haven't tried at all to harm Amiga Inc in my statements or actions. All I have done is verify the truth which is out there.

No, that's not *all* you did.  I appreciate your clear separation in this posting regarding fact and your opinion, but you made it quite clear that if bbrv had not gone ahead (as a "joke") to try and register the Amiga trademark, you yourself would have done so, you'd love to get your hands on it, you said.  Considering that Amiga Inc is not actually dead (you might say "well, not *yet*"), why would you do so, knowing that it might very well make certain things more difficult for them?

[meerschaum]

They control Amiga OS and the Amiga DE. They do not control MorphOS (currently Amiga OS 3.x compatible), they do not control AROS. Unless there is an IP issue that could tie the noose around MorphOS's neck, then there shouldn't be a problem, unless I'm missing something. The community is not "beholden" to Amiga Inc. Only those who wish to follow the "real" (according to some definition of "real") AmigaOS rely on Amiga Inc. There *are* alternatives. Or are things really so insecure that MorphOS needs official validation by Amiga Inc?

yes .... perfectly true...

That's *not* what I said. Let me say it again - if Amiga Inc does not go in the direction that the "community" wants it to go, then the "community" is perfectly capable (well, maybe not, seems like there is some sort of weird name-dependency cult going on) of moving in another direction - again, I call as witness the existence of MorphOS and AROS.

see by saying that your implying 'like it or leave it' ... and thats simply not going to happen... trying to pursuade people to 'shutup and be a nice little zealot' ... or give pity to those zealots who believe somehow that making games for cell phones is 'amiga oriented' ... aside from the name Amiga I dont see how DE has anything to do with this community at all... some propogandists have tried to spin it so it sounds like it does...but DE dosent run on Amigas, cant run Amiga apps...and it isnt developed with anything amiga (the genre not the name) in mind.... I know people say 'OS5' and whatnot... I dont buy it...

Yeah, some feel jaded and all that. They are genuine feelings that people are allowed to have. But how on earth does that justify belittling others (like myself) who have different experiences/different opinions? I'm not saying noone's been wronged, noone's been hurt, I just don't think that justifies certain actions - there are much more mature ways of dealing with things.

if belitting amiga.inc is belitting you then complain to them...they made their bed and if you feel you belong in it...then maybe you can explain all the nonsense going on with them???....
If wayne or anyone else wants to make things more difficult for them... I think its fine... they have certinly made things difficult for some people in this community by their inaction, indifferance, negligence and even what I would consider distortion of the truth...

[N7VQM]

by Siggy on 2003/6/4 21:52:19

Wonder how much it would cost to buy

If I were to win the lottery, I'd buy out the controlling interest.  I would do the following things in this order:

1) Fire Bill McEwen and Fleecy Moss, if they weren't bought out.
2) Pay the owed back wages.
3) Pay the owed back rent.
4) Pay the judgements levied against Amiga, Inc.
5) Hire a new CEO that has some expierence.
While all that was being accomplished, operations would be suspended. (Not that they aren't right now!)

Or course, that assumes I won a large enough prize! :-P

And before someone says "You hate Amiga, Inc!" Can it!  I DO NOT hate Amiga, Inc.  What I *DO* hate is to see is the multitude of people that have gotten screwed in one way or another by Amiga, Inc's mis-management team.  It's not right and it's not fair.  As the CEO of a company, you have the obligation to do right by your shareholders, lenders, employees AND customers.

[ghauber]

No offense, but that is spoken like a true "newbie"

Actually, spoken by someone who has a different opinion than you do.  Shock! Horror!

That's not a slam against anyone here, but the remaining community is simply NOTHING like it used to be.

Of course it's not.  It's been in decline for a whole *decade*.

As someone who has seen things from a community perspective before the end of Commodore, I can tell you 100% straight up that the sorry state of things today rests totally on the shoulders of Bill McEwen, "Fleecy" Moss, and Amiga Inc.

You gotta be kidding, right?  Hey, do you remember how good it was back in Egypt, before that fellow Moses (who does he think he is, anyway?) led us out here in the desert to die?  (Note, I am *not* saying that Amiga Inc is like Moses, necessarily leading the people to the "promised land" - this was a comment on the fact that it is so easy to forget the bad things of the past because the immediateness of the "bad" things in the present make them so much bigger in our minds.)

Yeah, Amiga Inc is probably responsible for some of the decline in the last few years, but to blame it all on them is just stupid.  There have been all sorts of stupid battles (powerup vs warpup), failed/unkept promises (anyone remember the Phase 5 A/box?), companies changing directions too many times to count (Amiga when owned Gateway), others going bankrupt (Escom), software publishing houses abandoning a still profitable Amiga market for the much more profitable PC clone market, and so on.

[Argo]

So, Who's going to win the Pepsi Billion?  

[legion]

 :ranting:   Guys, calm down.  This really doesn't mean anything.  Even if Genesi did lay claim to the name, so what?  sheesh.  I hope he DOES turn it over to Wayne; but honestly, aside from what he says, I think you and I and Wayne and BBRV know there is not a snowballs chance in hell of that happening.   He might let Wayne *use* it for free...    :-o

It doesn't change a damn thing.  BBRV is trying to wind you up, and man, did he succeed.  

BTW BBRV, the way you responded to Ben was wholly unnecessary.  Being a beancounter and a salesmen in NO FRIGGIN WAY makes you a better man than him.  That comment just dropped you -100 points in my book.

(paraphrased)

Hey Ben!! Get back to work and make me an OS!!  LOLOMG!!

Sub-par, BBRV... sub-par.

[ghauber]

see by saying that your implying 'like it or leave it'

*sigh* I give up.

aside from the name Amiga I dont see how DE has anything to do with this community at all...

because it was given "birth" by people in the Amiga community.  No, it's not Amiga OS (even though it might become an integral part of it down the track), but (and here I'm speaking as one who has a reasonable idea of where AmigaDE is heading, since I am on the "inside", so to speak) it is definitely being influenced in its development by various things that are unique to the Amiga (sorry, can't go into details).  But you're right, a lot of people in the Amiga community don't care about the DE, their interests lie elsewhere, and that's ok.  And Amiga Inc have recognised that, and have a definite plan for ongoing development of the AmigaOS to satisfy that need.  And, if the direction AmigaOS is heading doesn't satisfy, then maybe throwing weight behind something like AROS would be a productive thing to do (which you may very well be doing).  Personally, I am happy with the direction Amiga Inc is taking (although I wish there hadn't been so many bumps along the way) and so I focus on that area, but I also would *love* to see AROS succeed, too.  I can only spread myself so thin, though... :-(

if belitting amiga.inc is belitting you then complain to them

Your "I pity those..." quote was not directed at Amiga Inc, but at people (like me) who have poured time and effort into developing for the DE.  Maybe I misunderstood you, that maybe you didn't mean it in the sense I took it (hence my reference to you "belittling"), but rather you feel compassion for those who will, if Amiga were to go under and the AmigaDE with it, would have wasted so much time and effort in support of the DE?  If you were genuinely meaning the latter, then I apologise for jumping to an unwarranted conclusion about your attitude.

they made their bed and if you feel you belong in it...

I have, by my actions/committment, aligned myself with the direction and vision that Amiga Inc has for the DE,  yes.

then maybe you can explain all the nonsense going on with them???....

May sound like I am weasling out, but, honestly, that is not my place to comment on such matters.  That is for Bill McEwen, Fleecy, et al to make clear what is going on, should they so choose. I know that's not a satisfying answer, but in reality, all it means is that we do what we've gotta do given the circumstances we find ourselves in, whether that means we need to look for/directly support alternatives (like AROS) or wait around and see if things turn around with Amiga and we see a strong future for the "real" AmigaOS.

[Rodney]

Vincent wrote:
If BBRV's part of the show, I'm going and not looking back.

Edit by nOMAAM : Personal atack

If he buys the rights to Amiga, then I'm going for good.



I was wondering when this would've got edited ;-)

Who cares what the product is called... As long as the operating system Hyperion is developing comes out for AmigaOne boards, i dont care if the boards are called TerronCXs or the OS is called HyperOS.. The fact remains OS4 is based on the foundations of commador. That's why and many other peole would be useing it.

[JoannaK]

Rodney wrote:

Who cares what the product is called... As long as the operating system Hyperion is developing comes out for AmigaOne boards, i dont care if the boards are called TerronCXs or the OS is called HyperOS.. The fact remains OS4 is based on the foundations of commador. That's why and many other peole would be useing it.

Ok.. Now (after a couple years of bickerin, namecalling etc.. ) both sides have finally reached same conclusion It's not the name that matters... it's the product that get delivered.  Good, I see progress.

Now we only have to wait and see those products to make decisions what to use ans what to support.

And for note about my signature... Yes, I can also purchase computer  for running OS4 if it's good enough. Pegasos/Morphos just got there first.

[DaveP]

This is interesting, we have people blatantly ignoring the LIVE Amiga registered trademarks on the database.

We have people grinding out their anti-Amiga Inc feelings.

We have people going OTT in an anti-BB fever ( calm down! ).

We also have an interesting case, what happened did AROS people say no, I mean you did offer the name to them first Bill?

@Wayne

Right, you are a pretty incisive guy and I admire you a lot but you ARE strongly influenced by your anger with Amiga Inc. Its laced in practically every post you make these days. You do have a justifiable reason for that but can't you recognise in yourself what you criticise in others? Jeez even though Im #1 arrogant bastard I recognise the bias in myself.

@Tomas

Don't worry, Targhan isn't a moderator here anymore, he resigned and will not moderate threads because he recognised his own bias. I could fish out the thread if you feel like it. So if he tells you to relax you can go tell him to go to hell ;-)

[JurassicCamper]

Yes. Rebranding a busted board and adding a buncha dollars to the price is real good work.

Busted, well if its busted how come mine works just fine and i'm posting from it ?

As your trademarks have already been registered to including pheonix  :-P

Have about regestering

Pegasorry and MorphOZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ instead