Amiga Inc lost the trademark to "Amiga" on January 3rd, 2003

[greenboy]

I'm supporting Eyetech and Hyperion because they're doing some good work

Yes. Rebranding a busted board and adding a buncha dollars to the price is real good work. Of course one might have to do that to accomodate the Value Subtracted Reseller (VSR) tax seen alternately as the Seehund Dongle ; }

[Targhan]

@Vincent  

You should consider A1/OS4 or Pegasos/MorphOS based on availability, if it's fun, if the product is what you want.  If you  will remember, C= was also known as "the bigevil" by many developers for their absolutely dirty business tactics.  Did we still buy our Amigas then?  Yes, of coarse we did.

If you don't want to buy a computer from a company that uses any dirty tactics at all, you will not buy from ANY computer company.  Yes, that is an all inclusive statement.  It's a good thing you don't feel that way about food; otherwise, you would have to take up farming as a profession.

[bbrv]

Hi Vincent, just forwarded you the email from the USPTO.  Hope you have the courage to admit that it sure is real!

:-D

And, why not stick around.  We are sure we can re-direct some of that enthusiasm into something useful!  ;-)

R&B   :-)

[seer]

Isn't it a tad silly to not buy a product if you don't like the  person who makes/sells it if the product is good ? (Note; don't have a Peg or MOS 1.x so don't know on a personal level if the product is good )

[Vincent]

I've never said that I wouldn't buy it.  I said in a previous post that I'm on the fence.

I'm just getting fed up of everything that's going on in the Amiga/Genesi world of BS.

Cheers for the mail BBRV, I stand corrected.

I'll have to see A1 and Pegasos working before I decide which way to go.  I won't let the fact that I don't like BB stop me from buying a Pegasos, I'm just really fed up of the scene.

I can see myself leaving if no-one grows up (and I know I'm included in that).



Even if I leave, I'll still be using my classic 68k Amiga.

[Targhan]

@Vincent

I heard that.  We all have a hard time being "grown up" though when so many of us have our hearts and souls tied up into this platform, no, this community.

I hope you can get to AmiWest. :-)  I can't say what showing will be made on Hyperion/Eyetech's behalf, but THIS is the current known Genesi/MorphOS/Pegasos offering.  As a general rule of thumb, Bill McEwen usually comes to AmiWest... So, I'm sure this AmiWest will be one for the history books.  In fact, I know it will be.

[zudobug]

seer wrote:
Isn't it a tad silly to not buy a product if you don't like the  person who makes/sells it if the product is good ? (Note; don't have a Peg or MOS 1.x so don't know on a personal level if the product is good )

When the userbase is this tiny, it is all down to trust. Yes it is important.

Right now I don't really trust anyone, but may be willing to forgive and forget if they stop ####ing around and spreading bs and/or get the products out.

Half the community admits amiga inc have lied in the past but still prefer them over Genesi (thats gotta hurt.) This isn't going to change.  All we can do is see what happens.

[seer]

I'll have to see A1 and Pegasos working before I decide which way to go. I won't let the fact that I don't like BB stop me from buying a Pegasos, I'm just really fed up of the scene.

I can see myself leaving if no-one grows up (and I know I'm included in that).



Even if I leave, I'll still be using my classic 68k Amiga.

I know how you feel, seems like people think one can only like 1 computer.. Hell, I used to have an Amiga500 (and a +) a 4000, an Atari ST, a Mac... If I could, I would have a iMac, an AmigaONE and a Pegasos nexct to this WinXP box...

But to be honest, this is how it has always been... Ya either  had an Amiga or a Atari ST or a console or a MAc or a PC...  If you had 2 or more you were nuts and a traitor..

[Jose]

"Cheers for the mail BBRV, I stand corrected."

Er.. WTF? Can you specify that a little better?

"I can see myself leaving if no-one grows up..."
Well, Vincent sorry but grown up people are like that. Sucks doesn't it?

 I never like the "new " AInc. from the day they were leaving AmigaOS. And I keep thinking that the only reason they allowed others to do it, is because 1- they saw that users were pissed off and leaving 2- Might give them some profit without much work.

To me the only thing can still make me stay in the Amiga scene is the continuation of the Classic AmigaOS (ie. OS4).  

[seer]

When the userbase is this tiny, it is all down to trust. Yes it is important.

Important ? Maybe... IMHO quality products to attract ex amigans back and to get new users are more important.. People that are still here using Amiga OS on whatever hardware and/or MOS are not going away NOW.. They've come to far to quit now..

The ex users and new users will give sh*t about who Bill Buck, Fleecy, Garry Hare, Bill Gates are and what they have done in the past...

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Think about it, how many products do you buy and have you "talked" with the CEO of the company that makes that product on a public forum ? Sony ? Philips ? Micro$oft ? You think Yoe Average cares if the CEO of Philips is a nice chap or not when he buys a new TV ?

[NihilVor]

>"Someone hacked our phones"
>
> "Everyone who claims the Amiga Inc offices are >vacated is a vile FUDder"

In defense of Amiga—and there is much that is indefensible.  Amiga employees quickly admitted that they left their offices and that the fact that they got a lot of prank calls had nothing to do with it.  Now they didn’t post this on their site, but to those who asked, they admitted it.  It was Amiga fanatics that took the above points of view or half-truths and made excuses, but most of this didn’t come from Amiga Inc.—the apologists made many of the inferences.



I’ve never seen this as a choice between Amiga or MorphOs (although I suppose that Genesi would like us to see it that way).  I have an interest in Amiga OS and BSD but I don’t have the time or money to run every OS.  My reasons for not buying MorphOs has nothing to do with Amiga 4.0 and everything to do with my assessment of factors relating to the MorphOs product, its future, and my personal impressions.  But that’s how a product, in my opinion, should be judged, and I won’t run out and purchase Amiga 4.0 either, unless it similarly satisfies my demands for it.

[HyperionMP]

All of this uproar is completely unfounded.

Amiga can on the basis of its tradename alone oppose any use of the Amiga trademark by other parties.

Tradenames do not require any prior registration.

Moreover, US trademark law also recognise "common law" trademarks which also do not require registration.

In short, I'm seeing a lot of fuss about nothing .

To the extent that the quoted database is even up to date, the fact that are or are not registered there doesn't prevent you from having a perfectly valid "common law" trademark under US law.

[bbrv]

Ben!  You here now too!?  Welcome back!

Are you sure about that Ben?  Better check those books again!  ;-)

But, do not worry, if the trademarks fall into our hands Wayne will probably kindly extend a license to Hyperion with his best wishes.  We would be turning everything over to him and this site if things work out.  :-o

Now get back to work!  We need a "real" Amiga OS for the Pegasos besides 3.X (which we have well over 1000 copies of already still in boxes)!  We need that "OS4 Kit" for Pegasos II owners Fleecy has been talking about!!!

Sincerely,
Raquel and Bill   8-)

P.S. Hey Vincent!  Cheers to you man!  Thanks!

[seer]

We need that "OS4 Kit" for Pegasos II owners Fleecy has been talking about!!!

Ok, I missed somehing :-)

[Tigger]

Vincent wrote:
@greenboy

I thought all that Garry Hare stuff was bs aswell.

I'm not an A.Inc man, I'm sitting on the fence to see what's going to happen, but if BB's a main part of the Amiga's future, then I won't be here.

What was BS Vincent, that Fleecy and company acted that they didnt know who he was then coming up with oh Garry Hare, hes the guy the VC sent to help us, but Bills the CEO.   And of course they still do not answer the question, did Garry Hare a well known and respected senior manager/CEO level guy with a very respectable resume hand out cards saying he was the CEO of Amiga Inc.  They know he did, Bill Buck is not the only one who got one, I have a count of either 4 or 5 who have had them.   Now either Bill Buck, and a bunch of other high level managers are colluding and randomly picked Garry Hare as the guy handing out the CEO cards miraculously at the same time Garry Hare was in fact at Amiga Inc on behalf of the venture capitalists (we call this the Fleecy theory), or Garry did hand out those cards.  Given the recent coverup of the auction of their siezed assets, Rays recent confession he isnt being paid by Amiga Inc, McEwen comments at Bolten trial, etc, do you really want to believe a "Fleecy" theory.
      -Tig

[Tigger]

NihilVor wrote:
>"Someone hacked our phones"
>
> "Everyone who claims the Amiga Inc offices are >vacated is a vile FUDder"

In defense of Amiga—and there is much that is indefensible.  Amiga employees quickly admitted that they left their offices and that the fact that they got a lot of prank calls had nothing to do with it.  Now they didn’t post this on their site, but to those who asked, they admitted it.  It was Amiga fanatics that took the above points of view or half-truths and made excuses, but most of this didn’t come from Amiga Inc.—the apologists made many of the inferences.

I'm sorry, they posted in answer to questions about Phones, Offices etc, that they were still there, that they had changed phone numbers etc.  If they fessed up in private conversations to a few close friends what was really happening, thats great for you guys, but it does take away that they lied to the Amiga community as a whole.   Blaming it on H&P or Genesi FUD is ridiculous when someone is posting the truth.  They were locked out of their offices, there stuff is being auctioned off in less then 2 weeks, this isnt rumors by competitors, this the honest truth, unlike Fleecies we are still in the offices comment that went for months after they were locked out.  
      -Tig