AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP

[dammy]

Hmmm Current exchange rates, 1400 pounds could almost buy me that new 50 caliber sniper rifle I want (saw it in the movie "Smokin Aces" Sunday)

Question would be, can your find a local range that can handle .50 rifle and can your shoulder handle that type of punishment?  Oooouchies.

Dammy

[alewis]

Sunshine, if I could actually understand some of your ramblings, I might have a clue what you are on about.

fatigue... let me see, I don't feel fatigued. Please elaborate.

They have a good OS - opinion. make it better than the rest? Perhaps you could define that.

Why would I be - presumably - deluded? "But Mucker said it" - so that makes it definite, does it. If Mucker said "jump off a cliff, you can fly", would that be 'reality".

People want to live in a dream world of classics? No. Have you seriously considered just what an Amiga is? It *is* the clasic Amiga. Simply because there is nothing else in existence. There is no guarantee that "bigger and better" would be nothing more than a Linux-type environment, ie a multi-tasking OS running on x86 hardware.

It isn't transfering to our brains? No, its *you* who doesn't listen, or rather, does not want to hear anything other than "Amiga will rise, rah-rah-rah".

Anythign is possible in this world? Bollocks. I will never be able to play basketball for the Harlem Globetrotters, save goal for England, or have babies.

The comment re Bill gates... Ok, here's a challenge for you. For once, instead of avoiding answering questions, exactly was it that "Bill Gates know... that every one thought he wasn't in reality".

What was it. Where did he "evangelize" it, and define "everyone" and their refutations, publications/media such scorn was published.

[guru-666]

@starke
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=27371

again because I feel you are an ideal candiadte for this!  I know it's dangous but MAYBE if you ask realy nice Wayne will loan you his .50 rifle for this mission, you will be saving the amiga! :violin:

@all
let's not get all nasty, humor is the solution folks, have a good laugh and move on. Starky has his hart is the right place , just misguided and rambeling....needs somebody to tell him a joke and he might snap out of it.

[coldfish]

~15 years ago, 3D hardware support was a good idea.

~10 years ago, a PPC based Amiga motherboard was a good idea.

~5 years ago, porting Amiga OS to x86 was a good idea.

A lot has happened in the computer market in 5-15 years.

Amiga just isnt relevant anymore.  

It says a lot for the platform that so many people remember it fondly,  Ainc's big mistake was thinking those happy memories would make people buy a AUD$1000+ motherboard, 10 years after it was a good idea.

[guru-666]

@coldfish,
you did not ready my post.....
with timetravel he can go back and fix all that!  Duh.

just in case here is the important linky

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=27371

[coldfish]

I stand corrected guru-666, now to sit back and wait for all the Amiga goodies to materialise...

yay!

[alewis]

@coldfish

Maybe Starke only needs go back to 2002, when Bill McEwen published an update newsletter that said it "was just around the corner".

@Starke. back then, 2,500 was an optimistic number of untis to sell. I've no idea if they acheived that limited run. 5000 was hopeful. 10,000 would have been wonderful. 50,000 well... I don't see 10,000 Amiga users on *all* the Amiga sites. Let alone the 50,000 that Amiga Inc hinted would have been enough to have a major retailer come on board.

Whats different now? An even smaller community of Amiga users.

Anyway, still waiting for you to answer some questions from earlier.

[paranha]

Just some thoughts about the amiga and it's future.

Just for a start: I'm an old amiga fan that actually want to buy a new one if it ever comes for sale and can survive in the marked nowadays.

Complaining about what Hyperion, Amiga and the other owners shall and shall not do, doesn't help that much. They'll anyhow do as they see fit.

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My thought about the amiga and it's future is quite simple: It needs a market. You can't pay for the production, staff and marketing without somewhere to sell it and somebody to buy it. In the western world the Amiga is too weak and the position both software and hardware belongs to the giants.

Africa, South America and Asia is actually quite interesting - Where you actually can get a sale on the amiga based on it's strength... A life cyclus that can span over dekades without that the software demands an upgrade on the hardware every third year. What's just as important is to have software that are just as good as other systems have without bleeding the vallet (software like autocad, spread sheets, image manipulators etc)

Actually I think a cheap complete Amiga with a keyboard, mouse and availability to connect it to a tv and internet(so an expensive monitor is not needed) sold around 2-300 dollars would be quite the hit on those markets

[guru-666]

@paranah
Welcome to amiga.org.
do yourself a favor and before you jump in on this one, go back and read some of the other posts on this topic. (there are plenty) Nothing new here. (period)  
Once you have a solid plan and some moeny then you can make a real press realese and tell us how you are going to introduce to asia (where they make modern pc's) the 20 year old amiga...
LOL.


to realy save the amiga you must get into some serious timetravel

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=27371

[alewis]

So it only has to compete against the $100 laptop... which despite a lot of big backing hasn't been the fastest "innovation" to market.

And it needs some apps to run. And java/activeX compatibility. And the abillity to render .jpg and .pdf files. And to be honest word/opendoc compatibillity.

Its not so much the hardware anymore, as the abillity to access, display, and manipulate data.

Cheap hardware is great. But you need to be able to do something with it.

[guru-666]

I think that we (as westerner/americans) need to figure out how we are going to compeat with asia and india once they get there economy rolling, right now it looks like we are going to be the ones using ancent technology, unless we can turn this economy around, fast.
BTW according to bill McEwen, they are working on amiga OS in india right now.... ohh the times ther are a changing, and did I mention they are thinking of moving your job over there also.... jikes.

[A4000_Mad]

Naaaaaa! I still think it has already come back through time. It is an even more advanced Terminator that has come back from a future in which the Amiga fails. And its gonna save us all      ;-)


A4000 Mad

[guru-666]

or that...LOL

[paranha]

Yep I jumped a couple of pages =)(something to do with a download speed of 10 min per page).

I don't have that kind of money nor enough passion for it.

They do make a lot of pc's in asia but have you ever compared the price on the computer against your earnings?
An average Joe in example Thailand earns in a good job around 3-400 dollars a month. If you were in need of a computer, could you afford a computer system that would cost aprox. a half years salary on it and and the same computer would be obsolete after two and a half year plus the software needed another half a year's salary (with the same life span as the computer)?

As I stated, just some thoughts

- Peace & love -

[Starke]

@Opposition:
@Alliance:

We should all work together here.

I have come to a slight conclusion on a topic discussed here,

I believe it is time to support AROS, they seem to be willing to read my email, unlike Amiga Inc who hasnt even touched it yet.

Either way, after reading up various sources on the net, Ive decided that our Amiga come back, may well rely on AROS more so than Amiga Inc. Also, I believe we could also support Hyperion, the Belgium company seems to be more intact and resposive to make things happen for Amiga.

Heres a link that got me thinking even further about AROS.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/1076/amicomm.html

MAYBE:
In time and in future, we will be able to support Amiga inc also, when they start to listen, after many users that will be emailing them.
I am also trying to get Hyperion, not to fight and put out Amiga for good, but rather to either put Amiga Inc out for good and Buy the name and support the name along with AROS, and to let AROS continue on Amiga and Amiga's future.

While Im at it, Ive also come to realise other possibilties, which I will not post yet, as I dont want to get everyones hopes up yet, Until I get some more feedback.

Cheers  8-)  8-)

Your Amiga Man, and his buds, with some Amiga.org supporters, who shall try harder to succeed as the days go by.

[Starke]

People:

You will probably alreay know these two sites, but I believe supporting them is supporting Amiga more so than Amiga inc. I have found out not to support Amiga inc, as they support bill gates, I DONT WANT THAT.

So support true AMigians, here they are:

http://aros.sourceforge.net/

http://entertainment.alinea-computer.de/seiten/spiele_uk.php
(the same site, different part)
http://www.alinea-computer.de/catalog/index.php?cPath=42_44&osCsid=981652242f9a68b1789f8b50a1a45470

Cheers.
 8-)  8-)

I will keep you posted on things.