AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP

[EvilGuy]

Starke wrote:

Curious, Do you think if we got Hyperion to work with Amiga Inc, instead of having their own agenda, that this would help severely to get good systems and good products again, whereby programmers will even want to use an Amiga for it??

Most (nearly all?) of the companies left with the Amiga are pushing their own brand of Amiga-ness. Hyperion were no different, they just mistook the die-hard "PPC Rulez, Wintel or Die!" crowd as actually having a lot of disposable income. Amiga Inc want to push Classic Amigas so long as it costs them nothing, they don't have to do anything and they can continue to make piddly little mobile phone games.

If you really want to support classic Amiga, support AROS.

[Starke]

EvilGuy:

Not sure on this one, as I had bigger plans For Amiga in general, when things start going good again, that is.

I'll keep your thought in mind though, but I still really like Waccons informative information.

Cheers bud

 8-)  8-)

[iamaboringperson]

Looks like some kind of AW type troll.

If he's posting the same old crap repeadedly and if he won't ever give in to reason, perhaps it's wise for everybody to put him on their mental ignore list.

[skurk]

Starke:
Dude, seriously, you have a lot of energy.  Use it wisely.  Sorry if you take our realism personal, we're not trying to be mean, we're just helping you face the facts.  You might as well try to get the C64 or the Apple ][ back on the market again.

The life and death of a computer is not binary; it is not either "alive" or "dead".  There are several stages between these two, and the Amiga is not dead..... yet.

I own several Amigas, but I'm never selling anyone of them.  There's something called "nostalgic value", you know.  Of course, I'm also developing stuff for the Amiga, but just for fun.  Demoscene productions, some utils.

I'm an Amiga Classic fan, let Amiga Inc and/or Hyperion do whatever they want in the future, I don't care.  I have exactly what I need.

And as for MY future, MacOSX is the obvious successor.  It has the modern Amiga feeling I require.

[humppa]

iamaboringperson wrote:
Looks like some kind of AW type troll.

If he's posting the same old crap repeadedly and if he won't ever give in to reason, perhaps it's wise for everybody to put him on their mental ignore list.

Starke = the Australian incarnation of Helgis?

[HopperJF]

Starke wrote:
OK, No more silly postings

I won't hold my breath...

Here are my suggestions and thoughts so far, that may help our beloved platform.

OK.

-Email both companies(everyone in all amiga forums)once every two weeks??

This would probably be seen as "pestering" to them, and they would end up spending valuable time which could be spent creating and delivering new products, emailing everyone. However a nice progress update (a realistic one) every now and again would not go amiss.

-Try to find other companies to back Amiga, give them reasons why

For companies to back Amiga there needs to be a solid user base and proper funding and with Amigas financial history I'm sure that would take some convincing.

-They should make AMiga OS for pc platforms, and that one can use any other software on it from any other platform.

OS X and even Linux do this now, but I'm not going into the topic of AOS on x86 because it has been discussed to DEATH :-D

[HopperJF]

And as for MY future, MacOSX is the obvious successor.  It has the modern Amiga feeling I require.

AMEN  :pint:

[justthatgood]

Bleh, I swear some people have too much energy. It's kinda like a top that is spinning around the room, just aimlessly bumping into things.

Do some people even realize that economics of things. Some companies do things for a reason. Some just do things out of stupidity (need we even mention some of them.) I get people b'ing everyday about prices, and how I shouldn't push these things, blah, blah , blah. People that are out to make money will only do that. People that are out to promote some kinda agenda will.

All the whining and pining in the world is going to make the world of Amiga magically come back into the limelight. Face it, Commodore had the ball and dropped. Get over it. Other companies along the way had their fun violating the Amiga brand for their only own selfish needs. That's life. Just get up in the morning(or night if you work nights) and just be happy. The S man has no right to judge people just because they didn't swallow his "Trippy Happy" pills.

For as it stands, the Amiga in it's current state is like a rich atheist at his own funeral. All dressed up and nowhere to go. :ponder:

[odin]

humppa wrote:
Starke = the Australian incarnation of Helgis?

His/her behaviour does make it look like that, however, no postings about how he/she fried any A1s. So, no, can't be another Helgis :-D.

@starke,

I'm sorry sir, but your continued diatribe is misplaced and tends to irritate a few people.  Amiga Inc does not need our help, and under NO circumstances should ANYONE "donate money" to them.  We already did that, by way of a $50 "lifetime membership" which devolved into a hellaciously expensive t-shirt that took roughly 3 years to arrive.

I understand where you're coming from.  I tried the same stance years ago, but it got me literally nothing, except for being banned by Amiga Inc for having suggestions that they didn't approve of.  (Trust me, I've been at this a little longer than you).

Amiga Inc and Hyperion (in whatever form they hold today) must work out their own problems.  That sir, is the nature of business.  Regardless of whether either lives or dies, the Amiga that we all use will still be here, unchanged.

or you can simply leave.

In that, I politely suggest that it's you that might want to reconsider your position on "leaving".  It is not your place to suggest that anyone leave this site under any circumstances.  This site welcomes all things Amiga, but a majority of our visitors have pretty much written off any "next generation" platform for the moment.  It is not available, and even if we could purchase OS4, it has zero hardware available to run on.

Making a spectacle of yourself and irritating other Amiga.org members with duplicate Amiga worshipping threads in the meantime will not change that.  There are, frankly, other sites that would welcome your mantra much easier than the battle-scarred and weary crowd on Amiga.org.

Regards,

Wayne Hunt
Owner, Amiga.org

And as for MY future, MacOSX is the obvious successor.  It has the modern Amiga feeling I require.

I absolutely agree.  Having owned an iMac for about 5 months now, running OSX, it literally feels like everything the "future Amiga" should have been.

Easy to operate, fun, powerful, configurable, silent, innovative, well-supported by both commercial and shareware developers.

As much as I would have loved to pretend, Amiga Inc can never compete with that, and using the "Amiga" name for cell phone games just doesn't get it with me.  Sorry, that's how I feel.

Wayne

[Amiga1k]

Apparently the Twins

You mean the Frieden brothers?  Then, to put it bluntly, using "Hyperion" to refer to them is correct, since they work for them.  :-)

[Amiga1k]

Wayne wrote:
It is not available, and even if we could purchase OS4, it has zero hardware available to run on.

A+++++++++++++++.......

How much clearear could you be?  None!!!!  :-):-):-):-):-):-)

[Starke]

Dear Wayne,

That is just my point, it shouldnt need Amiga hardware to run it.
After all, as far as I know, even the Mac os Is on a PC based hardware.

On the topic, why doesnt Amiga or Hyperion, or bloody damn well whoever, including cloanto if he wants to, make the OS4 or OS5, or whatever OS may come in future, make it available on normal PC hardware, as a standalone operating system??

And In doing so, allow it to run PC software like macromedia, adobe, and other leading brands, atleast then we may see a slight fluctuance in the market again, maybe even to the point where Amiga starts to gain popularity.

Nothing against you, but Waccon was absolutely right in what he said, I think he is a smart person, or she.

And maybe we can still find ways to help eachother out as a whole, to get new Computers, software or whatever the future holds.

For example, maybe we start trying to help AROS, and view it as the new Amiga, and pis off Amiga Inc. After all, isnt AROS also working on AMiga OS's? Or is it Hyperion thats taken over OS4, and AROS will not be able to update any of the Amiga OS's in future???

We should really all start thinking about this, I really believe it is possible, as do my mates, unfortunately, unlike my mates, and most people, I lack some technical skills, as well as communication skills, so it isnt easy for me to express exactly what I need to say, be it on screen, or in person.

This is where I am lucky for my mates to help, but the bigger problem is, to actually retrieve help from this site, as so far, Ive only really had Waccon, gertsy, reddwarfer, derringer,stopthegop and on occasion no fast mem helping me to try and succeed in this. Thats not too flash, considering this site probably has like hundreds of members.

Anyway, Thank you for saying what you did, but I was wondering if you even looked at your whole site, to see if anything was new, since last night wayne, and its not a posting.

Im here to stay, and I am going to continue finding ways, I am a positive person, always have been, and anything that I have tried for, well, lets just say Ive always found ways to succeed.

cheers

and goodnight peoples 8-)  8-)

[guru-666]

@Starke.
word of advise, stop trolling and don't write realy long messages, nobody reads them.

Starke wrote:
Anyway, Thank you for saying what you did, but I was wondering if you even looked at your whole site, to see if anything was new, since last night wayne, and its not a posting.

Sir,

You need to understand that aside from having been out last week on business travel and returning home with a horrific head cold which kept me off the computer all weekend, I have a full time job and 6 other sites that I run so I can't sit on Amiga.org posting all day.

Im here to stay, and I am going to continue finding ways, I am a positive person, always have been, and anything that I have tried for, well, lets just say Ive always found ways to succeed.

That's fine, but you're still new here, while some of us (myself included) have been here for 15 years or more.  

What you refuse to understand is that when the community (aka what you are referring to as "the market") was still hundreds -- not dozens -- strong, we tried to "fight the good fight" for years before.  We supported Amiga Inc right up until the time they disappeared from the community.  

After years of neglect and indifference from them, most of us have given up on the idea of Amiga Inc or Hyperion actually accomplishing anything any more.  While I personally get along with Bill McEwen and his staff on a personal basis, collectively speaking we've all gotten our hopes raised, then crushed too many times to care any more.  

As such, we're just thankful to have our "classic" systems that we enjoy using and don't really care what "they" think "the future" is any more.

Wayne