AMIGA NEEDS YOUR HELP

[Starke]

OK, No more silly postings, only suggestions of how to help, or what you think should be done.
If you think Amiga should so something, say it here.

Here are my suggestions and thoughts so far, that may help our beloved platform.

-Email both companies(everyone in all amiga forums)once every two weeks??

-Try to find other companies to back Amiga, give them reasons why

-Maybe donate(when the time is right??) $2 when Amiga starts acting upon the community and what the amiga community want.

-What should Amiga Inc, Hyperion do?

I think perhaps:

-They should make AMiga OS for pc platforms, and that one can use any other software on it from any other platform.

Thats it for now, I havent had enough time yet to think of more, but then, we are the Amiga community here, so Im sure we're all gonna help eachother to MAKE IT HAPPEN.

I dont wanna debate this, you can either help me, and maybe we work as a team and help eachother, or you can simply leave. YOU ALL love your amiga, and I miss using mine at day in day out, (but i still use it)SO lets do this, one more time, give it our all, and who knows, maybe one of us is smart enough to pull it off better than the rest of us.

THAT IS what I think, this is for real, I do wanna try and make something happen.

Anyones help, ideas, suggestions, or even actions towards Amiga inc or hypewrion, or even managing to find ways to convince other big companies to help, would be
GREATLY appreaciated.

Thats it,

there you have it, an open forum than can go on for a few years, and hopefully during the next few years we see an uprising of some sort, as well as seeing Amiga actually holding its own against the other platforms.

Cheers  8-)

[Starke]

OK:

One more thing I just thought of, maybe in a weeks time, I should have something on paper to write to them by then, I will notify AMiga inc of my posting here, and let them know that If they want donations and a backing from their Amiga community, they are going to have to listen to us and listen to what we want.

Just an afterthought.

 8-)

EDIT - I forgot to say that, anyone who can give links or information on what would help this, is welcomed.
Also
I dont mind your thoughts on this, I just am trying to avoid negativity, if we all start thinking positive about this, it is more likely that we will succeed as a team, rather than a man and his Amiga mates helping him out.

[justthatgood]

Okay, I'm POSITIVE that people aren't going to be able to raise enough money to hire the attorneys (let alone find some that are willing to "volunteer" time) to go after the licenses, patents and other legal red tape that people and companies say they have...

When you are finished you can join me at my tropical resort called Atlantis, okay..

[Waccoon]

-Email both companies(everyone in all amiga forums)once every two weeks??

I'm sure Amiga Inc. is very much aware of what people are saying on forums, but OS4 is pretty much out of their hands.  Hyperion has their own agenda.

-Try to find other companies to back Amiga, give them reasons why

The "cool" needs to come back.  That will happen not with new hardware, but with awesome development tools.  Hobbyists care about hardware.  Programmers care about platforms.

-Maybe donate(when the time is right??) $2 when Amiga starts acting upon the community and what the amiga community want.

The Amiga community is too small for the company to really offer what we want.  As for donations, Amiga Inc. has already blown a lot of investor money.  They need more solid ideas.  More money is a waste.

-What should Amiga Inc, Hyperion do?

Make a new OS that feels like an Amiga, but is based on entirely new technology.  Give it a kickass programming language or shell so people will write software and say to themselves, "this is so much easier and cooler than Linux!"

-They should make AMiga OS for pc platforms, and that one can use any other software on it from any other platform.

Dual-boot is a good idea.  AmigaOS is going to compete with Windows/Linux/OSX no matter what.

If you're suggesting running software from other OSes on the Amiga, there's two problems:

1) The abstraction layers required adds bloat REAL fast, and usually results in tons of bugs.  I use a lot of UN*X software on my Windows machine, and the abstraction layers are usually fatally broken.  What UN*X programmer wants to make their software work properly on Windows?  They only want to make it available for promotional purposes.  Not a good idea.

2) The reason for having an alternative OS is so you can do things your way, not mimick everyone else's development philosophies.  I want something fresh, not endless half-baked ports that already work on 10 other UN*X-like OSes.

Refer to why nobody uses Java applications.  People want native programs that follow familiar interface guidelines.

[coldfish]

-What should Amiga Inc do?

Donate all Amiga IP to the public domain.

-What should Hyperion do?

Find some/any hardware to run their orphaned OS on, then hope and prey that they can make back at least their investment?

/grabs popcorn.



 

[EvilGuy]

Donate all Amiga IP to the public domain.

Just give out the source - and make it something tricky that you're not allowed to redistribute binary versions of the source. Derived works must be resubmitted to AI for binary release.

Those that can't download the source and roll their own need to buy the quarterly AI Installer disk.

-What should Hyperion do?

Find some/any hardware to run their orphaned OS on, then hope and prey that they can make back at least their investment?

Or just get out of the way of the community. :-)

/grabs popcorn.

oh yeah, this should be fun  :crazy:

[coldfish]

heh, I think he got fed up with reality.

Seriously, I wish Ainc would relinquish control of the brand and trademark and let the community take it wherever they want, the game's up anyway.

[dammy]

I'm sure Amiga Inc. is very much aware of what people are saying on forums, but OS4 is pretty much out of their hands. Hyperion has their own agenda.

From what I've been reading, it's far worse then that.  It appears that AI opted their $25K buyback option in their contract with Hyperion.  Little did they know, OS4 isn't using Hyperion's kernel but the Twin's kernel.  I'm not sure what the vast majority of IT folks would call an OS, but I'd say the kernel is the OS (ie Linux has a Linux kernel with other code to flesh it out for end users).  Apparently the Twins have passed on making a kernel for OS5 for AI.  So we can safely say OS4 isn't make or break for anything and will, if AI can survive that long, be headed for the dust bin of history.

So what is being paraded about as Amiga OS4, isn't owned at all by Amiga. So I'll sit in the cheap seats while  I'm waiting to hear that AI has had enough and started to issue C&Ds on OS4 sales (yeah right), and transfers. :popcorn:

Dammy

[Starke]

Dear WACCON:

You are a really nice person, unlike many on this site, youve actually given me an insight of what may need to be done here.

AND:

I thank you for this.

Curious, Do you think if we got Hyperion to work with Amiga Inc, instead of having their own agenda, that this would help severely to get good systems and good products again, whereby programmers will even want to use an Amiga for it??

Ideas:
Tell me, what solid ideas do you think we may be able to advise them of/about?

Linux:
I thought Amiga was relatively easy to use, but you make an excellent point with the programming. Your right, I will continue to watch this posting, and see what others, and you have to say further, Until I then proceed to make a few formal letters, that I may show here to the Community before sending.

Maybe somehow, I can get a lot of Amiga users to sign it electronically.

Anyway, that'll be a bit of later stage.

Sorry, Not sure about the bottom bit here, but I think what your saying is, Amiga shouldnt have to downgrade themselves just to make sales, but rather come up with something totally fresh to the computing world??

Any feedback on this mate is very appreciated, also, if in the meantime you've come up with your own Ideas, post em.

Cheers
 8-)  8-)  8-)  8-)

[Framiga]

i'm sorry to disappoint you but many of us are supporting Amiga since 1985 (in a way or another).

[Flashlab]

Most annoying to me is that some people here are branded non-Amiga fans by Starke and then get ordered to sell their Amiga stuff.

[Starke]

Framiga:
Flashlab:

Sorry mate, Is the edit Ive done on my last posting better?

Thanks.

And I did not intend to insult anyone. Unless I felt the need to defend.

And Ive been trying to look outside the square, and actually come up with ways to make this BIG, and make it happen again.

Cheers

 8-)  8-)

[xaccrocheur]

Starke wrote:

-Email both companies(everyone in all amiga forums)once every two weeks??

Nah, I'd go for a 2 hours rythm. Let's piss off everybody in every IT office, and we'll have the best Amiga coverage in years !

- Damn, someone is SPAM/hassling me about some computer, I don't get this Amika thing..?

- Hey, I got this too ! I think it's an ad for refurbished Sega Saturns !

- ...

[Starke]

xaccrocheur:

Are you being serious??

Did you have any other suggestions on my other ideas, or on Waccons post???

Kind Regards

Amiga man

[EvilGuy]

Starke wrote:

Curious, Do you think if we got Hyperion to work with Amiga Inc, instead of having their own agenda, that this would help severely to get good systems and good products again, whereby programmers will even want to use an Amiga for it??

Most (nearly all?) of the companies left with the Amiga are pushing their own brand of Amiga-ness. Hyperion were no different, they just mistook the die-hard "PPC Rulez, Wintel or Die!" crowd as actually having a lot of disposable income. Amiga Inc want to push Classic Amigas so long as it costs them nothing, they don't have to do anything and they can continue to make piddly little mobile phone games.

If you really want to support classic Amiga, support AROS.