Emulation, why not

[Starke]

Dear Amiga Community,

I think we should have more people who have PC's using the Amiga emulator on them.
This would also Help Amiga sales in the long run, so tell your friends about this, mates, even aquaintances.
WHY:
Because royalties go to Amiga Inc directly, In turn, Amiga Inc may then see I better reason to have OS4 with new Amiga computers.

OVerall:
I like the emulation, I may get an Amiga one, But more so, Id be happier if Hyperion and Amiga Inc are actually true about this, that the New os4 and Amiga computers are coming out in Early April.

Thanks Cloanto and Amiga Inc for the emulation. And try to see past many Amiga enthusiasts arrogance, they do love Amiga, so hurry up and get OS4 And Computers out there.

SURELY:
All you peoples will buy this when it comes out, after all, you all love your Amigas. Or are you all just not desiring for Amiga to have a chance to see the light again, and your all stuck in the past??

THINKING:
Thinking about it, an email listing that ive suggested, is a good idea. But I got a few more marketing suggestions.

ANYWAY:
Overall, I wanted to say that the Amiga Forever 2005 Premium editon is awesome.

Cheers.

 8-)

[derringer3]

You just late about 10-12 years. Currently there is no way to "put back amiga on the map".

Reasons? Listen, in my shop i sell daily a lot of pc wich is under $250~300. It's contains a 3GHz cpu 256-512 ram, hdd, dvd writer,case,mouse&keyboard, vga card. These crappy machines can easily play movies,run almost the newest 3d games, realtime cristal-clear audio apps, etc, so more than an amiga can offer nowadays.

Now try this on an amiga. I built almost an ultimately classic amiga for myself because i love this machines, from the first time i hear/see her. But for serious business it is out of match. Who can buy a machine which is expensive than others, but offer less than the others? No one. Only way if you are the chairman of microsoft. Then you can do that. But if you will be that person you will be seriously build your machine (xbox) than you continue someone elses work.

Of course i will buy OS4, and if it ever be a new hardware for classic. Maybe a new amiga if it is offer some benefits for the pc or others. I want to see the amiga comeback, but i think it have no resons. And now the amiga community is no more million of people like in mid '90. Now i think its only a few thousands men hobby.

[skurk]

I admire your spirit, and I hate to burst your bubble, so: I'm not going to.

My wet dream, and IMHO the only chance of Amiga ever getting up on its feet (or knees) again, would be this:

An Efika motherboard with a 10-20 gig hdd (which should be more than enough), somehow squeeze AmigaOS4 into it and bundle it with WHDLoad.  Wrap it up inside a cute little case, ship with a Competition Pro USB joystick, and decorate it with an affordable price tag.

I'd buy one.  Hell, maybe even two.  Or three.

[Starke]

Derringer:
Thanks mate.
Actually, Amiga Inc isnt dead, nor is Amiga because of it, we just need to find better ways to support it.

As for you saying only thousands, Where theres one bad apple, there are many to follow, what if this is the case for the opposite, Im the good apple, what if others start following again??? What may happen then??

I think we need to all email Amiga Inc and hyperion, and let them know how many real amgia users actually want to see Amiga Rise again.

http://os4.hyperion-entertainment.biz/index.php%3Foption=content&task=blogsection&id=6&Itemid=30.html

Just in case you havent read this yet. 2004 created website about OS4, hence, if you read this, the whole site, you may see that Amiga isnt dead at all, and that theres a faint heart beat.

Also, as you seem a true supporter, maybe get many people that you know to buy the Emulator, as royalties go towards Amiga Inc.

And Amiga Inc havent dropped Amiga computers completely, as they have made OS4 and designed it to only run on either existing Amiga COmputers, as well as the upcoming New Amiga Computer systems.

I know the last Amiga one, by memory, only had 933Mhz cpu chip, but hey, what I dont understand is, why there wasnt a big sale of this computer, I mean, If there really are so many Amiga Supporters left, why didnt they buy it to support Amiga Inc?

Cheers 8-)

And if at all possible, help support Amiga Inc, I wouldnt Mind seeing Amiga mobiles and PDA's and ofcourse Computers as well

[Starke]

SKURK:
Thank you also for being a true supporter, I havent witnessed many Amiga supporters on this site, only people who wish to remain in their old ways, rather than Emailing the Two big companies, Amiga Inc and Hyperion, showing them an expression of interest.

If all Amiga sites like this, all the users done this, emailing, then Amiga Inc would have more reason, but like this, I am left with a big task ahead of me this year, to get as many people who are into Amiga, to Atleast email, and show them we care.

I am born in 81, so I am not as old as you, or probably most of the Amiga enthusiasts here, but what I do know is, Through word of mouth can come great things, but through a flock of fish all working as a team, can come greater things, however through the utmost support towards a company that has not yet totally shelved the idea of Creating and coming out with new Amiga Coomputers and software for it, can come the greatest of things.

Cheers. 8-)

I only wish that more people would actually give it their last shot, one more chance, just to see if we can pul it through this time, but like this, with not many Amigians giving a shet for change, or newer things for Amiga future,well, i dont really have to state the obvious here.

Thing is my friend, I know AmigaInc still have big plans, and I aim to help them, as I know, in the end, they do want to be in the digital and computing world.
 8-)

[Starke]

OH yeah, one more thing,

there may only be thousands left you say, but how many thousands in every country, and if we added them all up, would it create a few million??

I think theres still a chance, not for long though, In a few more years, there definately wont be, unless we act now, and show our enthusiasm towards the Amiga Inc. 8-)

[jorkany]

Starke,

I think we should have more people who have PC's using the Amiga emulator on them.
This would also Help Amiga sales in the long run, so tell your friends about this, mates, even aquaintances.

WHY:
Because royalties go to Amiga Inc directly,

Why should I give a crap about Amiga Inc.'s sales? I don't work for AInc, I am not part of the sales team. If they have any business acumen then they need to figure out a way to increase their profits. If they can't do that, then good riddance - why would anyone miss them?

In turn, Amiga Inc may then see I better reason to have OS4 with new Amiga computers.

OS4?!? I think you missed the boat.

[Starke]

You do realise that I know about OS4 beta having been out for quiet a while, and that OS4 is out, but with no real hardware or ne Amiga computer to use it.

Having said that,

I also know that because of people like you not supporting AMiga Inc, is just another small reason on why we dont see new Amiga computers for the new OS4

SO the next time you wake up in the morning, think about how you couldve been that final voice to Amiga Inc, and how you couldve changed the FATE of AMiga in general, for future Amigaians, which ofcourse wont exist with your attitude!

Kind Regards

Your Amiga Bud 8-)  :rtfm:

P.S. Dont forget to email(smiles)

[derringer3]

@Starke:

Amiga comeback is only possible with a big company standing behind it. Not an offshore company which is don't do anything for years. So pumping money into ainc is such a waste. Hyperion is an other story. They have some fresh air. But in the view of an ordinary end user it is pointless.
That was one of the things why amiga continously converging to zero since the bankrupt of commodore. If Samsung, HP or other company had been bought amiga in '94-'95, then today it world will be very different. But simply this not happened.

If you have that big company behind the name of amiga then you have to find a target market. For example xbox,ps3 is for gamers, linux for servers and young people who don't want to use some lame ms software.
It's hard to find. I will be some ideas for example security, but i think i'm not that men who one day will buy amiga inc. (or mybe i will so thats why i not explain this here :-D  )
Years ago here in Hungary there were many little tv network/cable tv provider company which're use amiga for its main information channel. (i think with scala of course) You should see somtimes Black screen whit red gurus when changing the channel of your tv to the provider's info channel.
But today a pc can do easily too, and there were no new amiga. So some of this went wrong, and because there is no new amiga solution, a pc replaced it.

So conclusion:

New amiga will win if its price is beat anything in the market. (hard to happen with the known sale strategy of ps3 or xbox - the hardware is sell with minus, while they get plus on software sales.)
Or a new amiga could have one or more unique feature. (I don't think ramdsik or other things, i think for amiga will be unique in security solution, or composing music, or playing games (ohh the good old years), or desktop publishing, or just doing your everyday work. But it NEEDS one at least.  

[Nostalgiac]

just a small (malicious) thought.. perhaps Starke works for Amiga Inc. ? I mean everybody else here seems to be realistic/dreaming/dedicated.. but not mad :p

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Tom

jorkany wrote:
Starke,

I think we should have more people who have PC's using the Amiga emulator on them.
This would also Help Amiga sales in the long run, so tell your friends about this, mates, even aquaintances.

WHY:
Because royalties go to Amiga Inc directly,

Why should I give a crap about Amiga Inc.'s sales? I don't work for AInc, I am not part of the sales team. If they have any business acumen then they need to figure out a way to increase their profits. If they can't do that, then good riddance - why would anyone miss them?

In turn, Amiga Inc may then see I better reason to have OS4 with new Amiga computers.

OS4?!? I think you missed the boat.

[amigaksi]

Are you asking why not or stating why not?

If it's former:
I never tried any amiga emulation scheme and know that it cannot equal a real amiga given my understanding of current PC architecture.  I would find it hard for any PC-based emulation to even do the floppy simulation exactly:

http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0?uid=10022145&site=0&ver=LCA080805&item=320075976960&lk=ItemDescriptionANDimage

Fortunately, the CIA chips have tolerance and I was able to get away with it and get it to work on some of the machines I have tried it with.  DOS seems to work better for real-time timing stuff than Windows.  Floppy rates are 500 kbits/sec for normal 880K so doing emulation of 7.16 Mhz chips or the timer chip would be beyond the scope of any PC-based timers.  I rather live in reality than some illusion that I have a real amiga on a PC.  It's like thinking that one will never die when the facts are the death rate is 100%.

[lorddef]

Starke wrote:

Because royalties go to Amiga Inc directly, In turn, Amiga Inc may then see I better reason to have OS4 with new Amiga computers.

Yes great idea, even better lets get them to sell us some more unredeemable $50 vouchers.

[Starke]

AMIGAKSI:

NO, Amiga is not 100% dead yet, that why Hyperion is still giving it a shot.

Not only that, read my last post, I think it was in the email posting when I was responding to the wonderful chap, DERringer3, thats all what I need to say for now.

 8-)

[Starke]

LORDDEF:

Your name suggests it all.

Kind regards

Amiga bud 8-)

And remeber, if there is a crusade, and its got people within this same crusade that arent wanting to help the crusade, the crusade usually looses.

But this is a little different, as I am sourcing out people to help, YOU may As well pack your bags mate.

I mentioned in another post, how we should find companies to back amiga, and maybe try and have Hyperion buy the Amiga name, and continue on the Amiga name.

Anyway, have you sold your old Amiga/s yet? as you wont be needing them no more. If that isnt the case, THEN, maybe give us all some advice on what we can do to turn around this sticky situation AMiga is in!

Kind regards

The man that is going to give it His best, along with any followers, to grow this faint heart beat, rather than to just let it die and stop.  8-)

[gertsy]

I Don't know why Amigans are adverse to companies making money on the Amiga.  Its the only way it can ever get bigger.

I like the idea of the shrink wraped box, plug in your LCD and power and play.

"Boing" factor is the only way to get OS4 and the new hardware selling.  Offering a "we can do the same see !" product isn't gonna make the new Amiga offering grow.
It gotta have BOING! factor.