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Just a few thoughts about Amiga.
« on: January 22, 2007, 11:26:29 PM »
Greetings, fellow amigans!
Was sitting here thinking about my favourite
computer platform and it's future.

At first glance it may seem that Amiga inc. has no interest in the release of hyperion's Amiga Os4.0. No hardware manufacturers, except for eyetech,
have been granted the licence to ship Os4.0 enabled systems. AINC seems keen on having the Os run exclusivly on Amiga branded hardware. Greed, or quality control?

Once upon a time Amiga hardware provided the user with capabilities other systems just couldn't offer. Today the situation is quite different, with the possible exception of HAM, so there is no apparent need for any specific hardware base. Or am I wrong here?

I understand the difficulties of finding hardware manufacturers willing to go for
the Amiga that also have the needed fundings to follow through and also have the
money to sustain themselves in the small Amiga market.
There'd be no point in allowing licence for a company that would not survive and would not be able to provide any support for it's product.

The initial market is just too small for more than a few competitors.
Most will play it safe and produce hardware solutions for multiple platforms.
I hope this is good enough for Amiga. Trying to have someone rebrand their products for the sake of Amiga would be very hard as they may have already made a name for themselves, and may not want to be tied to a small fraction of a larger potential market.

It seems to me that most of the products I've drooled over these past years will all come to nothing. I just can't see how it would work.

Would it be safe to ship a PPC expansion for classic Amigas if a brand new mobo is available for half the price or less?

Is it safe to ship a brand new mobo for the amiga market if that means having to exclude other avenues of the computer industry?

Eyetech took a risk, and I suspect payed dearly for it,a and for that they should be applauded, hailed and respected.


I can't understand the complaints about possible Amiga hardware solutions being too much of yesteryears technology. I mean, most of us have been stuck with 68K and AGA for more than a decade, I wouldn't mind even the smallest upgrade. A 400-500Mhz Cpu sounds like heaven to me along with retargetable gfx and audio.
Being behind for so long, we can't expect to start right back on top- can we?

I'd like to see the new Os soon on a screen here at home. I think the team behind SAMANTHA should get a licence. Coz I really love that board. And I think Elbox should
get a license for a classic upgrade if they can lower the price somehow. I wouldn't spend that much on my old A1200 unless there'd be nothing else available as I would
need the mediator along with various expansion cards as well. The powervixxen is a tempting piece of kit also and, I understand, would be cheaper too. Other systems could run os4.0 with a USB based kickstart ROM or something if it's technically possible- I don't know, but it might not be a smart move businesswise, depending on already made investments and agreements following the different outlook of yesterday.

I wish I could get a hint of which route Amiga is likely to take hardware wise so I could prepare fundings, but alas no. But I will remain patient and await the decisions that are made. I hope 2007 will be fruitful for us all.

These were my thoughts and opinions, let me know yours if you wish.
 

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Re: Just a few thoughts about Amiga.
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 12:12:41 AM »
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I wish I could get a hint of which route Amiga is likely to take hardware wise so I could prepare fundings, but alas no. But I will remain patient and await the decisions that are made. I hope 2007 will be fruitful for us all.



..everyone would be happy to know the direction, but no one can see the future especially in the Amiga scene.. Amiga is dead, dead, dead.. only classic 68k/PPC Amigas have some reason to be be used - and mainly it is just nostalgy and recreation..

..and if there is any way further, it must be based on the classic 68k / PPC Amigas.. ElBox is going the right way IMHO..

..any other systems like MorphOS etc. are just ordinary OS`s and there is no need to use them for me - it is just replacable with WXP, OSX or Linux and you will always get better results (if you are not just a hobbist or coder)..

..I wish this year to be very succesful for Amiga, but  have no idea of what miracle it should be to happen..  :roll:
 

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Re: Just a few thoughts about Amiga.
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 01:20:21 AM »
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I can't understand the complaints about possible Amiga hardware solutions being too much of yesteryears technology. I mean, most of us have been stuck with 68K and AGA for more than a decade, I wouldn't mind even the smallest upgrade. A 400-500Mhz Cpu sounds like heaven to me along with retargetable gfx and audio.


The technology being "yesteryear" in itself isn't so much of an issue. The problem from my point of view is when old and/or underpowered technology is coupled with stupidly high prices, especially when compared to common x86-based stuff...

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Amiga is dead, dead, dead.. only classic 68k/PPC Amigas have some reason to be be used - and mainly it is just nostalgy and recreation..


Exactly...

IMHO A.Inc should just give up and open source the OS and hardware designs, thereby allowing the likes of AROS and/or the Minimig project to be taken forward by people who actually want and are actually capable of making things happen.

Just my 2c worth... I hope this doesn't turn into another :horse:  :crazy:

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Re: Just a few thoughts about Amiga.
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 01:41:32 AM »
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by Garrett on 2007/1/22 18:26:29
AINC seems keen on having the Os run exclusivly on Amiga branded hardware. Greed, or quality control?


How about Stupidity? Perhaps a sick and twisted kind of love that only an Amigan can aspire too?

I say neither greed or quality control and here's why...

If it was greed, it wouldn't take even a mediocre businessman long to find out that you can actually make more money by selling something even if it is a worthless pile of crap. Now a really good businessman could even trick you into thinking that it isn't worthless. i.e. Monopolistic Software Co.

As far as quality control, it's really hard to believe that the quality of AINC selected hardware (practically prototype) platforms could be significantly better from a quality standpoint than the millions of x86 boards on the market. What was the overall customer satisfaction with the A-One boards?

While many of the new boards such as Efika, Samantha, etc. look very interesting and perhaps will work well in their own right, what is really the commercially viable future (read as "money making future") of any of these boards? What support will there be for any of these boards? Now? Next Year? Ten years from now?

While I advocate and enjoy "niche" software and hardware, it's important to remember that is just what it is. If you are greedy and want lots money then make really spectacular software for the most common platform in the solar system. If you want to make a little money (or perhaps even loose some), but yet get to share in your passion with fellow masochists, then you write really spectacular software for a lesser know platform. If you want "quality" then you spec out hardware that is tried, tested and reproducible at bargain basement prices. If want some thing "cool and out of the ordinary" then you spec out something that's pretty much at a prototype level, tested by about five guys in their garage and damn hard to source parts for even in the beginning (not too mention two years from now).

Now having said all of the above... I too am still hopeful that 2007 could be a good year for us. (EDIT: As misplaced as this hope may be.)

THANK YOU PAPA JAY! KEEP THE FAITH! LONG LIVE AMIGA!
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Re: Just a few thoughts about Amiga.
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 02:02:20 AM »
I think this has been discussed a bunch way back when the whole - you can't run AOS except on a dongled board - thing came up and the reasoning behind it all was something like this:

It protects Eyetech's investment in producing a board to run AOS.

It protects Amiga Inc from having its OS (produced by Hyperion for OS4 with the possibility of another contractor in the future) from getting its code pirated.

It protects from having to invest heavily in board support of arbitrary platforms (in the way that MS or Linux have to do so much board support churn) so that they can work on features and bug fixes instead.

It hasn't worked out to be too stimulating for the market, but then again, what would be? Oh yeah, I forgot. Free hardware of a next generation spec running free applications far in advance of anything available on any other platform.