Apple italk phone...

[adolescent]

@weirdami

All the prices listed were with service plan.  I'd guess they'll drop, but they won't be free for some time.

[da9000]

Magic-Merl wrote:
For me it needs to have an intuitive interface.

But this looks awesome.  Can't wait to see the specs for it...

Agreed with line 1! And it does!!! I want one now!!!!!! Drool...

[Fransexy_]

Homer wrote:
Does it have more than 2MB chip RAM ?   :lol:

It have 4 GB a no expansion for memory cards, and that on 2007 for a device that play videos (among other things) is as stupid as commodore putting only 2MB on AGA chipset.Technology companies seems not to learn and repeat the errors again and again

[bloodline]

adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.

Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.?  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Linux is just a Kernel, there is no real standardisation above it, for developers on the Mobile platform.

Windows CE is not the same as Windows. It's a different operating system with a similar API to Win32. but Win32 (and certainly not Win64... WinFX or whatever they call it now) apps are not binary comaptible with WinCE on the x86.

[Fransexy_]

bloodline wrote:

adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.

Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.?  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Linux is just a Kernel, there is no real standardisation above it, for developers on the Mobile platform.

Windows CE is not the same as Windows. It's a different operating system with a similar API to Win32. but Win32 apps are not binary comaptible with WinCE on the x86.

MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either

[bloodline]

Fransexy_ wrote:

bloodline wrote:

adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Apple now have the holy grail of Operating Systems... one single system that is scalable from a handheld up to a server.

Never heard of Windows, Linux, etc.?  :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Linux is just a Kernel, there is no real standardisation above it, for developers on the Mobile platform.

Windows CE is not the same as Windows. It's a different operating system with a similar API to Win32. but Win32 apps are not binary comaptible with WinCE on the x86.

MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either

But MacOSX is binary comaptible on the SAME CPU... please read what I typed more carefully, i.e. WindowsXP and WindowsCE have different ABIs.

[Waccoon]

Why?

Anything + glossy finish and Apple brand name = twice as much as it should be.

And what's up with the 5 hour battery life?

[gertsy]

iDontcare
iDontwantone
iGotaphonealready

[adolescent]

bloodline wrote:

Fransexy_ wrote:
MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either

But MacOSX is binary comaptible on the SAME CPU... please read what I typed more carefully, i.e. WindowsXP and WindowsCE have different ABIs.

Trying to figure out how MacOSX on the iPhone being binary incompatible with MacOSX on desktop is any different than Windows XP not being binary compatible with Windows PocketPC or Smartphone?

If you have to recompile, you have to recompile.  Of course, Apple's probable solution is to add yet another architecture to the universal binary, thus creating unnecessary bloat.

[bloodline]

adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Fransexy_ wrote:
MacOSX on this phone it´s not binary compatible with Macosx on desktop either

But MacOSX is binary comaptible on the SAME CPU... please read what I typed more carefully, i.e. WindowsXP and WindowsCE have different ABIs.

Trying to figure out how MacOSX on the iPhone being binary incompatible with MacOSX on desktop is any different than Windows XP not being binary compatible with Windows PocketPC or Smartphone?

No. My point was that WindowsCE is not related to the WindowsNT software. They share nothing in common. When you run WindowsCE on the SAME CPU as WindowsNT the software is not interchangeable. Microsoft did not just recompile WindowsNT for mobile devices.

[weirdami]

redrumloa wrote:

weirdami wrote:
@redrumloa

What I want to know is how much Apple paid Cisco for the iphone name.

Yes, that is the question :-o

Here's the answer. :rtfm:

[adolescent]

bloodline wrote:

No. My point was that WindowsCE is not related to the WindowsNT software. They share nothing in common. When you run WindowsCE on the SAME CPU as WindowsNT the software is not interchangeable. Microsoft did not just recompile WindowsNT for mobile devices.

And iPhone is not related to OSX software.  :-?  I still don't get your point.  The CPUs aren't the same on the iPhone and desktop Macs, the OS isn't the same, so where's the "holy grail"?

[weirdami]

@adolescent

And iPhone is not related to OSX software. I still don't get your point. The CPUs aren't the same on the iPhone and desktop Macs, the OS isn't the same, so where's the "holy grail"?

I got the impression that it was the same osx as on the desktops and even though Jobs only said that osx ran on the iphone without going into any depth, my impression was that mac desktop osx apps would work on the iphone, too. Who knows for sure?

[koaftder]

Ive searched high and low for information about this iPhone and I still can't find out what processor it runs or if there is going to be third party developer support. There is no mention at all of this product on the ADC site.

The fact that the literature says this thing runs OSX means about as much to me as when they said that the G5 was a supercomputer. I can buy an iPaq which comes with "Windows" and ms Word, but this is just branding, it's not running "Windows" nor does it have "Word". Even acrobat reader is not the same in such context. It even comes with Internet Explorer, but what does it really have in common with the Internet Explorer we commonly know? It's branding.

For those of us in the market for a really fancy telephone this will probably be exciting regardless of the specs. For those of us interested in all the things this might be, other than being a telephone, we will probably be disappointed.

In any case, It's all hype until we get some real specifications.

[bloodline]

adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:

No. My point was that WindowsCE is not related to the WindowsNT software. They share nothing in common. When you run WindowsCE on the SAME CPU as WindowsNT the software is not interchangeable. Microsoft did not just recompile WindowsNT for mobile devices.

And iPhone is not related to OSX software.  :-?  I still don't get your point.  The CPUs aren't the same on the iPhone and desktop Macs, the OS isn't the same, so where's the "holy grail"?

If you take time to watch the Keynote, Jobs explains that OSX was choosen simply to save time and effort; and he deails the features of OSX that apple deemed make is suitable for a handheld device, plus the ability to use a few "core services" (standard in OSX) which allowed the construction of an "Apple User Interface/Experience".

If you read about the Mach Kernel I think you'll find it is quite a good choice for a Mobile device!

I suspect the iPhone uses an embeded PPC, that kind of CPU would be ideal for such a device... though I would probably choose one of the MIPS devices... but apple might have got a sweet deal on XScales from intel (even though they don't own the core assets anymore).

The "Holy Grail"? Amiga Inc. tried to promote it... one OS from mobile device to server... It's a nice idea, if creates a consistant devloper interface and allows scalling across platforms... it also means the OS developers only have one code base to work from, bugs get fixed quicker and new features become readily available for different versions.

[koaftder]

can't resist: