I long for a decent OS.

[Crisisdog]

downward_s wrote:

The act of turning on the PC can sometimes take longer than the work I want to do. By the time I've got a blinking cursor, I've forgotten half of the inspiration.

...

I long for an OS that can boot up instantly, like switching on a TV or turning on a light.

My PowerMac G5 boots up just as quick as my Amiga 3000, about 15 seconds.  Even faster when waking up from "deep sleep".  And my XP x64 system isn't too bad either, about 30 seconds.

I enjoy the quickness of my home PCs compared to the 2000+ machines that I have to support on a daily basis with my job.  I'd say the average load time for any desktop PC in my company is about four minutes.  Laptops are worse, nearly doubling that time.

Beware of the future as we become more reliant on high end technology.  HD DVD players are basically fancy media computers now, and actually do take 20 to 60 seconds to "boot" up before playing a movie.  I can't wait until computers do become integrated into stoves and microwaves, it may very well take half a minute to boot your kitchen to cook your meal before you know it.

 :-D

[Tomas]

My PowerMac G5 boots up just as quick as my Amiga 3000, about 15 seconds. Even faster when waking up from "deep sleep". And my XP x64 system isn't too bad either, about 30 seconds.

What is your definition of booting? XP boots to the login screen pretty fast on a modern pc, but the sad part is that it still takes twice that time before it let you run anything due to the fact that it is still loading stuff in the background. So the fast boot time of XP is mainly just an illusion in my opinion.

[Crisisdog]

Tomas wrote:

What is your definition of booting? XP boots to the login screen pretty fast on a modern pc, but the sad part is that it still takes twice that time before it let you run anything due to the fact that it is still loading stuff in the background. So the fast boot time of XP is mainly just an illusion in my opinion.

With a dual core processor and RAID, I'm talking 30 seconds from power up to Explorer desktop icons appearing.  Granted the PC then accesses the Internet right thereafter for virus definition updates, but I have no problem launching up Media Player or or any Office application during that time.

[beller]

I just tested two Mac systems for boot times and then time to load a word processor so you could start typing.

The first machine is a Mac Classic running System 6.0.8 (the last version of the Mac system written entirely in machine code.)  I booted the machine and ran MacWrite Pro.  Total time from start to the time to start typing 1 minute and 20 seconds.

The second machine is an Intel Mac mini running 10.4.8 and then booting Microsoft Word.  Time from cold boot to word processing was 1 minute and 15 seconds.  

I actually expected the Classic to be quicker.

I have a Toshiba laptop...the boot on it is horrible.  Hit the button and come back in an hour to run software.  This will be my last PC.  The Intel Mac, with Apple's Boot Camp, also runs XP MUCH faster than any other PC I've seen...

Bob

[KThunder]

this isnt a very benficial thread imho

amiga- no modern browser, office software, hardware support, but...

it boots fast!!!!!

i dont sit around booting my computers all the time. weather it boots in 2 seconds or 50 as long as it does what i need it to do when it is booted. booting to me is probably the least important part of running a computer, as long as it finishes who cares.

the reason modern machines take a while to load is because of all the stuff we expect them to do. wedont expect much of our amigas in terms of modern apps, because there arent many. my amiga is super smooth running its half meg apps too, but if i have alot of serious work to do i use the pc.

[KThunder]

geeze sorry about the rant. i see these kinds of thread too often. people complaining about the pcs that they use everyday and which do everything they ask. ok you dont like ms; ok you dont like windows. but all oss have drawbacks and benefits.
you dont want a decent os because any os you get will have some drawback to turn against, and any company that produces said os and succeeds will do something you dont like.

crap another rant. ummm...

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[Tenacious]

@ Kvasir

I bought a Zire 72 (in addition to the Palm IIIc) last year and it seems to only have USB interface.  I would love to use an adapter to RS-232 to interface it to my Amiga.  Is anyone using a RS-232 to USB adapter?  I haven't seen such an animal.

@ no-one in particular (this is NOT personal)

I'm always amused by the Computer Science guys who {bleep} about the Amiga's lack of protected memory and the Amiga's inherent instability.  Everyone has a belly-button and an opinion.  I appearently live in a different world.  I use the usual software packages nearly every day and very rarely experience a crash.  After a reset, I'm back up and running in about 5 seconds.  I never have to replace a corrupted C-MOS set-up, registry file, desktop file, or swap partition.  I had a bad partition one time under FFS (now use PFS2).  Modern OSes are great, in my opinion, if you can study them from afar and don't have to live with them.

[downward_s]

KThunder wrote:
this isnt a very benficial thread imho

I did warn everyone about this being a rant, in my first line of text.

Besides, is it not beneficial to point out what would make things better? Or is it more beneficial to pay your money for top of the range hardware, and just quietly accept the problems you have with it?

amiga- no modern browser, office software, hardware support, but...

it boots fast!!!!!

You didn't understand what my problem was. I didn't want a modern browser, office software, or extensive hardware support. If I want to use these, I have my pc, and I put up with the boot times.

I am talking about having fast access to specific, small, simple applications which allow me to do my work without having to fight through layers of crap that I don't need.

I mean, it's like trying to watch TV, but the TV set has to wire up your coffee machine, your dryer, your microwave and your vacum cleaner before you see any channels.. "just in case" you might want to use them later.

If I want to send an email in a hurry with one line of text which will potentially take me seconds to write, I don't see why it should take me minutes to do it.

I also admitted earlier that my A1200 was not as useful to me in the modern world given its hardware limitations.

if i have alot of serious work to do i use the pc.

It really depends on what your serious work entails.

David

[Cymric]

Tenacious wrote:
@ no-one in particular (this is NOT personal)

Of course it isn't. But your argument is still a variant of 'I think it is so, therefore it must be so'. Therefore, one counter example is sufficient to dispense with your argument:

Try some program development for a change. In C, preferably, with some advanced pointer handling where anyone but the Truly Great Ones is sure to fsck up, and then watch the Amiga crash and burn like there is no tomorrow. It is not a coincidence that in the RKRMs it is always highly recommended to run Enforcer besides your code!

[Cymric]

@downward_s:

Methinks you should install DOS and WP5.1 on an aging PC---say 1 GHz or so . At the speeds of today, DOS will be at your command in a second or so, and WP5.1 in even less than that.

[CannonFodder]

Tomas wrote:

When i was talking about a txt editor, i meant something along the lines of notepad and a graphical equalent in the linux world. Even those has a noticable lag before they appear on the screen. Also things like opening a folder or similar seems to take too much time on both linux and windows. I want it to be so snappy that it gives the illusion of appearing right after pressing the button. Of course i cannot expect this with bigger office suites like word or openoffice, but i do expect it with simple and small applications. I guess it is just me who notice these things?  :-(

And yes, i have tried lightweight window managers like xfce and fluxbox before. Things seems a bit more reponsive, but is still not optimal to my eye. The only resposive OSes i have used on pc is BeOS and Aros but sadly neither of these are very usable today.

Try:-

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su
<passwd>
apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade;
apt-get install prelink
cd /
prelink -afmRv


The 'R' needs to be a capital 'R', not lowercase 'r'.

[GreggBz]

beller wrote:
The Intel Mac, with Apple's Boot Camp, also runs XP MUCH faster than any other PC I've seen...

Bob

Boot Camp is a boot loader, not an XP accelerator. And the Intel Mac probably has an ASUS motherboard.

Powermacs are quality made, yet the hardware isn't magic. They're basically expensive PCs.

[beller]

@GreggBz

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that Boot Camp was some sort of accelerator.  As you said, it's just a loader for XP.  I was just remarking on the SPEED at which XP booted.  No magic just quality computers with well integrated software...



Bob

[EDanaII]

@ downward_s:

APCI just doesn't work, in my experience. A bit like most features that are supposed to make life easier.. it's just badly implemented.

Yup, and, personally, as a firm beleiver in the KISS philosophy, what's the better approach? A system that has to save the current state of the OS before it shuts down so that you can start it up quickly? Or an OS that just starts up quickly?

I prefer the solution with "the least moving parts." :-)

Ed.

[CannonFodder]

EDanaII wrote:
@ downward_s:

APCI just doesn't work, in my experience. A bit like most features that are supposed to make life easier.. it's just badly implemented.

Yup, and, personally, as a firm beleiver in the KISS philosophy, what's the better approach? A system that has to save the current state of the OS before it shuts down so that you can start it up quickly? Or an OS that just starts up quickly?

I prefer the solution with "the least moving parts." :-)

Ed.

I'd prefer the one that won't need to be started up more than once in a blue moon, this same one would also allow me to close the lid take a train or flight for four hours then instatly be back to the state i left it in when I open the lid.

Oh, I already have that? Silly me.

Linux, Windows XP, Mac OS X.  Take your pick, they all provide this functionality.

[Tomas]

KThunder wrote:
geeze sorry about the rant. i see these kinds of thread too often. people complaining about the pcs that they use everyday and which do everything they ask. ok you dont like ms; ok you dont like windows. but all oss have drawbacks and benefits.
you dont want a decent os because any os you get will have some drawback to turn against, and any company that produces said os and succeeds will do something you dont like.

crap another rant. ummm...

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The only thing i miss in AmigaOS is memory protection and some full opengl support. Otherwise i think the OS is pretty much perfect for me.