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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2007, 08:48:58 PM »
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I long for an OS that can boot up instantly, like switching on a TV or turning on a light.

Some reasearch has been done on stateless OSes (like Coyotos), but nothing is really working in practice, and software for these OSes has to be programmed very differently and carefully, which is probably too much to ask of programmers these days.

Most OSes, even the "quick" ones like BeOS, have long startup times because of all the initialization and verification they have to perform.  You don't want a system to go into an infinite loop if something changes or doesn't start up correctly, and you don't want to start writing data all over the place if a storage volume is unclean or insecure.

Hardware also plays a big part.  Some devices don't respond instantly, cannot be initialized at the same time as others, have to follow certain standards and procedures, etc.  The only way to get an instant-on OS is by redesigning a new architecture from scratch that is not standards-compliant.  That means no hardware choices, high prices, spotty compatibility, and long waits between upgrades.  Custom, embedded hardware doesn't always perform better than PCs, either.  They have their own problems.

I think you'll have to live with sleep mode, or startup times.

My XP machine boots in 15-20 seconds from POST.  I feel sorry for people who use prebuilt systems, like HP.  Long boot times are usually caused by bad hardware implementation, mismatched hardware, or startup bloatware.  I can't honestly say that OSes are the problem, because my system is VERY fast and responsive compared to other machines I've used and/or fixed.

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Blame ACPI, not the OS. It's a horrible, bloated specification.

It's usually non-compliant drivers that cause the problem.  My dad's machine has trouble, but mine works perfectly.

Also, I used to work on PowerMacs that would NEVER wake up from sleep mode, so it's not just an x86-PC problem.
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2007, 08:52:52 PM »
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Plus the 5mx can be hooked up to the Amiga!

http://www.vapor.com/ncp/


Ah yes, I remember looking at that back when I owned a Series 3... The networking protocols didn't change between the S5 and S7, as far as I know, so AmigaNCP should work with the Series 7 and Netbook too.

A great shame Psion stopped making PDAs. I really wanted a colour Series 5-sized machine...

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2007, 08:57:17 PM »
Try Syllable: http://www.syllable.org/
On my machine it boots up to the login screen almost instantly after it's selected in the boot menu. Has pretty good hardware support (not as good as Linux, but miles ahead of other fringe OSes) and a passable browser (slow, missing a few important features at the moment, but supports CSS and Javascript). It's also pretty simple unlike a user-friendly Linux distro that merely wraps the complexity in a simple interface.
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2007, 09:03:37 PM »
Or use a non electric typewriter.... sounds like you want too much. reminds me of the millions spent to develop a pen that could write upside down with no gravity by nasa all the while the russians used a pencil...
CD TV / Remote / Trackball Remote / Keyboard / CDTV 1411 External Drive / C= 1405 256K RAM / Smell the fear!
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2007, 09:08:20 PM »
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Is not just boot times.. A windows/linux pc also seem to lag when you for example try to open something simple as a txt editor, simple mail application or similar. I expect the txt editor to open in a split second after pressing the button, but this just does not happen. Why should i use a modern pc for these tasks when my outdated amiga does the same task in less time?


If modern word processors are too bloat why not use old software? Something like Microsoft Word 95?
My Amigas: A500, Mac Mini and PowerBook
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2007, 09:08:34 PM »
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2007, 09:31:01 PM »
Simply put...I've seen Workbench take a while to load.  However, it never seemed to take nearly as much time as Windows.  I've used every version of Windows since 95, and they just seem to keep getting worse each time.  I am going to be seeing XP64 soon, so we shall see.  I do not want to see Vista though...UGH!

The beauty of the AmigaOS was something very simple.  It was fast, effecient AND not a bloody space/memory hog.  I can remember a time years ago, when NT4 came out.  I was running my A500 with 1.5 RAM total and a 50MB hard drive under Workbench 2.1.  I remember laughing at my friend with NT4 cause it required I forget how much space and RAM.  I could multitask better than he could, using far less space.  If I remember, the amount of space for NT4 would've been bigger than my A500 HD.

I still have that 500.  If I dusted it off right now I know the thing would go.  The same can not be said of the old 486dx50 I have for a prop.  I doubt it would go, and I would be lucky to get anything on the box.
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2007, 09:59:22 PM »
I never used a Psion.  I have been living with a Palm 3c for 5 or 6 years now and it's wonderful.  It interfaces perfectly with the Amiga's serial port.  The Spitfire software is excellent even without a Palm to connect to it. It's amazing there aren't more people who have married these 2 machines.
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2007, 10:04:45 PM »
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I never used a Psion.  I have been living with a Palm 3c for 5 or 6 years now and it's wonderful.  It interfaces perfectly with the Amiga's serial port.  The Spitfire software is excellent even without a Palm to connect to it. It's amazing there aren't more people who have married these 2 machines.


Hey I have a Palm IIIx...From reading this I could use that thing with an Amiga like I do with my PC?

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2007, 10:37:29 PM »
I've never connected my 3c to a PC.

I think Spitfire is on Aminet.
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2007, 01:04:36 AM »
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I spend a lot of my time writing, and I will ocasionally get ideas in my head, and in a moment's notice I'll want to type them out and store them. I continually curse my PCs for taking so long just to let me access a text editor and type in a paragraph of text. The act of turning on the PC can sometimes take longer than the work I want to do. By the time I've got a blinking cursor, I've forgotten half of the inspiration.

The same is true when all I want to do is copy a file, or download a photo from the camera. The amount of interaction from me is minimal and yet the job still takes forever.

I long for an OS that can boot up instantly, like switching on a TV or turning on a light.

Get an Atari 400 and don't plug a cartridge into it. It literally takes about two seconds to boot into the "textpad". Storage can be an issue though, for that I recommend keeping a VCR hooked up to record the session.
 

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2007, 01:41:09 AM »
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I'm still trying to find a HD for my A500! I may be a while on that one.


I have "SCSI external device boxes" for sale. $5 each plus shipping. Get them out of my house, please! :-) Pictures on the stuff for sale website in my sig. Grab one (or two!) and slap in some SCSI type hard drive or something. I probably have the right cables for them, too. Then post about how you got them to work because I don't know anything about them. :-D
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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2007, 03:04:40 PM »
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Blame ACPI, not the OS. It's a horrible, bloated specification.


How about if I blame both? :-)

ACPI might be the root cause, but Windows is the visible factor, and since M$ has spend much of their power controlling the standards, why not control this one too.

In any case, it's the entire system we judge, hardware, ACPI, OS and all, and, quite frankly, they suck.

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2007, 05:00:28 PM »
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downward_s: sounds like u need a replacement A1200  :lol:


Yep, I have been sorely tempted, several times.

However, to go down that road again would mean having yet another machine lying around, and I'm already short of space.

Not to mention that most of my work is done on a laptop. How I'd kill for a laptop with a native AmigaOS!

Then there's my eyes.. I don't fancy going back to using a TV, and 1084s are not very common now!

I'm afraid I've been spoiled by the convenience. If I had a 1200 still around I'd use it, but it wouldn't be practical to set up a new one.

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2007, 05:08:24 PM »
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You'll forgive some of us if we don't trust that particular function in so called modern PCs. :-)


Well, out of all the PCs in this house, including the laptop, there are none of them which will reliably suspend and then wake up. Some of them just shut down, some of them wake up and crash, some of them just go to sleep and never wake up.

Also, at my work I am constantly being called in to 'fix' PCs which have apparently gone completely dead. What has actually happened is that they have been set to suspend themselves after an hour, and no matter what they will just not wake up afterwards, and literally need the plug pulled. I had to go round about 60 machines one day and turn off the automatic suspend just to stop people losing work.

APCI just doesn't work, in my experience. A bit like most features that are supposed to make life easier.. it's just badly implemented.

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Re: I long for a decent OS.
« Reply #29 from previous page: January 03, 2007, 05:13:40 PM »
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These delays all add up during a day of usage and will in the end be wasted time... And dont get me started ono the process of shutting down a windows pc...


Yes, I think the definition of 'Realtime OS' has been stretched somewhat since the advent of Windows.

It is scary to think how much of my life has been wasted waiting for systems to boot. It's especially frustrating when you're fault finding. At least I get paid hourly for it..

David