2006 is almost gone, more pure death in 2007?

[derringer3]

Amiga-C64: Amiga died that sate, when it is a semi modern computer. (Severelal expansion option, for example new CPU, HDD-s, Modern Graphical OS, Video Card etc.) C64 never reach this state.
So the most of the amiga fans had a view that his/her computer can be beat any PC in performance. This is slowly died somewhere in 2000-2001, when there is no new serious hardware for amiga. (For example a new cpu card which is running 1GHz or more, etc) But every amiga fan still looking for this, because it is possible...

AROS: Interesting toy, but I think I will never use it. If i use pc, I will use xp. Maybe than, when it has a tons of software.

[AJCopland]

I'm personally hoping hardware wise for MiniMig and nothing more, maybe i can build a nice little case for it and place it next to my TV where it belongs!

AROS is looking interesting i gave it a go on a spare PC a while ago between various Linux distributions and i've looked into coding for it, specifically i was wondering if it'd be possible to add OpenGL acceleration support to Zune but i never even got as far as seeing if it already HAD OpenGL support :-D maybe when i'm less busy coding for work i can code for ummm, well maybe not fun but nostalgia at least!

I enjoy my Amiga1200 for games and perhaps by the end of 2007 i hope to have got WHDLoad instead of running from flopy as i currently do and to have a CD-Drive working so i can install OS3.9 and maybe play some CD32 games that i've always wanted to try again.

Andy

[Waccoon]

@Astral:  I'm with you all the way.

AmigaOS is obsolete.  The hardware sucks these days.  Senseless patriotism for one CPU will get us nowhere.  Accept it.

What we need is a new OS that gets back some of those inventive people that made the Amiga so special and fun 15 years ago.  I just posted some of my old music on another forum and told some people about Audition4.  There was NOTHING on the PC or the Mac at that time that could do what that sound editor did on my 7MHz A1000.  That's the kind of inventive software I want to use these days, not this Linux "we can code but we can't design" crap.

Everybody has an idea of what kind of hardware they want and what the OS should be like at the low-level.  Nobody has a f***ing clue what they want to do, other than browse the web with a [more] moden browser.  Come on.

[AJCopland]

Waccoon wrote:
@Astral:  I'm with you all the way.

AmigaOS is obsolete.  The hardware sucks these days.  Senseless patriotism for one CPU will get us nowhere.  Accept it.

What we need is a new OS that gets back some of those inventive people that made the Amiga so special and fun 15 years ago.  I just posted some of my old music on another forum and told some people about Audition4.  There was NOTHING on the PC or the Mac at that time that could do what that sound editor did on my 7MHz A1000.  That's the kind of inventive software I want to use these days, not this Linux "we can code but we can't design" crap.

Everybody has an idea of what kind of hardware they want and what the OS should be like at the low-level.  Nobody has a f***ing clue what they want to do, other than browse the web with a [more] moden browser.  Come on.

Well the one question that comes to mind if the hardware is obsolete and OS is dead is: What exactly would you want that would make whatever you want an Amiga?

I don't mean this in jest i mean really, if you don't want the OS or the hardware then do you just want a rebanded UNIX style OS like the Mac OSX? A pretty interface built on a BSD core? Or a more usable Linux like Ubuntu is mean't to be? I know there are other OSs out there i'm just using those as examples.

The Hardware + OS is what makes the Classic Amigas interesting, whereas it's an updated OS (be it OS4,MOS or AROS) that will be the only thing that distinguishs a new machine from the Linux and Windows machines of the world.

Andy

[neuroflip]

well well... i think that if nothing pass with AOS before the next release of MOS i'll buy an efika when it'll be supported hardware.

Nothing more than try this piece of hard/OS... and continue *ENJOYING* with my classic amiga... here in spain people say something like... 'better a bird in hands, than hundreds flying'

.end of line. :-)

[redrumloa]

Amigamia wrote:
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! AROS is the way to go don't you get it? Stop lamenting like little kids on what's missing in it and maybe offer some help. At least AROS is open source and anyone can help in developing it. AOS 3, 4 and the vaporware 5 are all good promises and promises and lies, more lies and lies after lies. The sad thing is.. none of you can do anything about but just submit questions to Amiga Inc. and get some phony answers back. When are you guys going to wake up from the fairy dream and start maybe focus on something that could REALLY be the OS we have been waiting for???

WAKE UP, GET REAL, AND USE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE FOR AROS.

That's all well and good except not all of us are programmers. Some of us are solid end users that while may be a bit tech savvy, have little or no real programming skills. End users, with cash in hand looking to buy a product.

[ToddH]

Hi there.

This is my first post here.  I was a huge Amiga fan back in the 80's-early 90's, owning first an Amiga 500 then an Amiga 1200.  And while I don't have either system any longer, I still have fond memories of those days.  I've yet to find a computer that gives me the same feeling my old Amigas did, although my 20" iMac comes close.

I've thought about picking up an old Amiga again just to tinker with, but the more I think about it the more I think AROS with UAE integration is the way to go.  That way you can run it on pretty much any Intel box (provided drivers are available).  Plus, there are a ton of open source projects like Mozilla and Openoffice that could be ported over.  An AROS system running Firefox and Openoffice, as well as all of the old programs and games would be a pretty nice system.

Hopefully AROS continues to improve and open source programs like Firefox are ported over.  I have a spare PC that would make a great AROS box.   :-)

[redrumloa]

Welcome to Amiga.org!! AROS is nice, but you may want to consider Amiga Forever. It is an amazing turn-key emulation package that IMO provides the most complete experience overall.

[Starrunner]

For 2007 I think I am going to throw what little support I can behind AROS.  Maybe dredge up a programmer or 2 to help in that department.  As for my Classic Amiga stuff, I am going to try to get a friend's A1200 off him that I know works.  Fighting with the A4000 I have is driving me insane.  I am not entirely giving up on that project, just looking for an alternative incase I go into orbit.:-)

Amiga and AmigaOS have been dead for years.  As I have said elsewhere, too many forces are at play that are killing it.  And have been killing it for years.

[TheMagicM]

I dont really look forward to anything that is "in the works" because its always turned out wrong or turned into vapourware.  

I have a EFIKA, it'll be running Linux first, then MOS, so I'm happy.  

That SAM board looks nice but not for the price.

MiniMig is nice but was it going to be made for the regular Joe afterall?  I thought he said it wasnt?

[redrumloa]

I have a EFIKA, it'll be running Linux first, then MOS, so I'm happy.

 :-o

Let me know how it goes!!

[ToddH]

I have Amiga Forever.  The lack of a modern browser really hurts it IMO.  Plus I hate having to launch it from within Windows.  Finally, it just just doesn't feel modern enough.  It feel like an old Amiga OS with a lot of stuff tacked on to try and make it look modern.  In other words, it feels clunky.  But at least it lets me get my Amiga games fix every now and then.

I tried the AROS live cd and was impressed that it feels like a modern, updated version of the Amiga OS.  

[TheMagicM]

redrumola:

I will.. still waiting on my vid card..  I want to put it in a 1541II case which I've gutted already..but for starters I'll hook it up, install Debian and check out its performance.  

[Agafaster]

Damn! I thought this was a music thread...

[MskoDestny]

A few years ago I got excited about the prospects of a Next-Gen Amiga OS. I followed the news on OS 4, picked up an A4000 (I had never personally owned an Amiga until that point, though my grandfather did) and messed around with AROS a bit. I was dissatisfied with the more mainstream OS options and wanted to try something different.

After a while I came to the conclusion that while Amiga OS was quite advanced for its time, it's time had passed. The design of the OS itself is dated and so is most of the software. Certainly some of the user experience is worth saving (fast boot times, actual simplicity rather than a simple veneer on top of an overly complex infrastructure like Linux or OS X, etc.), but you have to wonder whether dragging the Amiga's rotting carcass into modern computing is really the best solution.

There are other alternative operating systems that achieve at least some parts of the Amiga user experience. I've grown quite fond of Syllable. It's not quite to the point where it can replace Windows as my primary OS, but it's a lot closer to achieving that than my A4000 or AROS. Haiku an open source BeOS clone) is also an option though not quite as far along as Syllable in many regards.

I am quite interested in the Minimig/CloneA, but not as a desktop platform

[xeron]

Don't count OS4 out just yet.

I don't know whats happening with OS4 licenses and hardware, but I do know what is happening with OS4 Beta; and the things that are happening indicate to me that good news may be coming very soon indeed.