2006 is almost gone, more pure death in 2007?

[redrumloa]

Seems to me 2006 was another year of death in the AmigaNG market. What promise does 2007 hold? Any? The only thing I see if a possibility of MorphOS on Efika, which I only mantain a passing interest in. Any earth shattering AROS developments upcoming? Any suprise products next X-mas based on MiniMig or Clone-A? OS4? Well.. I won't believe anything there until I see it.. OS5 pipedream just seems too far off if even if it is in development.

I'm not seeing much, help fill in the blanks if i am missing anything, please.

[dammy]

Let me put it to you this way, AROS X86_64's modular kernel will be LGPL'd.  Gotta lot of hopes in 07 for AROS.

Dammy

[Crumb]

@dammy

I fail to see what's so special about AROS running on AMD64.

Will I be able to run more software? Will it be more useful than the current 32bit version?

If AROS is ported to 64bit it will be great, but what AROS needs urgently are USEFUL APPS comparable to those you used 5 years ago on an A1200.

I may run a cpu at 5TeraHertz but it would be useless without useful software.

If at least AROS could run legacy 680x0 software it could be more interesting. But if legacy 680x0 software is not important why stick to an old and outdated API like AmigaOS3.x, uh?

[dammy]

I fail to see what's so special about AROS running on AMD64.

Will I be able to run more software? Will it be more useful than the current 32bit version?

Until it's back ported to x86, hell yes it's a major upgrade (modular kernel, MMU support) of AROS.  This will allow greater freedom on doing ports of other open source software that would not be possible (ie license conflicts) with the current x86/PPC AROS kernel.  The issue of it being hard real time kernel has been brought up to Michal and he was positive on the idea.  

Does this sound like we are going to see alot of improvement for AROS in 07?  I sure think so.

As far as UAE integration, this maybe the month of a major announcement.  Depends if the dev can finally clear some time for it.

Dammy

[Matt_H]

Crumb's post may be a little harsh, but it's true. AROS has a serious lack of applications. The situation is far more dire than Classic, OS4, and MOS. If UAE integration is the way to improve that, then awesome. I'll set up an AROS box on the spot.

[Plaz]

At the moment Efika is the only thing resembling a bright spot this year. MOS users have a new toy, but will AOS give it a look? I won't hold my breath. I think the only other interesting thing I noticed this year was Carl Sassenrath's continued interest in things Amiga based on his appearance and discussion at Amiwest. I know I'm nuts to hope, but I'd like to think someone might come up with some thing .real by christmas. Other than that you guys might be depressing my if I wern't used to so much bad news already. :-P

@Dammy
Nothing at all against AROS, but 2006 didn't have much excitement for me. Maybe 2007 will be your year. I'm among those who think AROS on PS3 would be cool and an attention getter though. I definitely would like to try the X86_64 version on my virtual server too.


Plaz

[Tomas]

There will probably be another promise of OS4 being released in summer and then there will be a promise for christmas 2007.

I honestly dont think much will happen....

[Tomas]

Let me put it to you this way, AROS X86_64's modular kernel will be LGPL'd. Gotta lot of hopes in 07 for AROS.

I would find it much more interesting if you implemented some kind of emulation layer, which will allow you to turn 68k apps and games. I see no point in native 64bit version when you still cannot run anything on the OS with the exception of uae and lunapaint.
The OS itself seems very promising, but it sadly just aint of any use to me when i cannot do anything but play with the gui and a few demos.

So i think emulation and native software should be of much higher priority.

[Amigamia]

BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! AROS is the way to go don't you get it? Stop lamenting like little kids on what's missing in it and maybe offer some help. At least AROS is open source and anyone can help in developing it. AOS 3, 4 and the vaporware 5 are all good promises and promises and lies, more lies and lies after lies. The sad thing is.. none of you can do anything about but just submit questions to Amiga Inc. and get some phony answers back. When are you guys going to wake up from the fairy dream and start maybe focus on something that could REALLY be the OS we have been waiting for???

WAKE UP, GET REAL, AND USE YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE FOR AROS.

[Dr_Righteous]

All I'm waiting for is a fully functional Firefox port and a Java runtime. Those two items alone will make AROS my primary desktop OS. That would not only give full web access, but access to Yahoo Messenger web version and allow me to pull up NOAA/NWS radar images.

That would make it usable to many people out there, which in turn would add more people coding small apps.

[justthatgood]

Wee, another year of broken promises too.

[Plaz]

@Amigamia

How does AROS compared to what's completed so far on AOS and MOS? It does have the advantage of multi-platform. Once a monster at asm/binary, I strugle with C and it's mountains of libs. I wouldn't be much help if I even had the time.

BTW AOS/MOS/AROS are all just a dreamland for now.

Plaz

[Astral]

Just a passing observation - flame me if you wish...

One thing I've noticed about a major part of the Amiga community, is the wish for something continually improving on the classic hardware and software, that compares favourably to other current hardware and software available. This in itself is not a bad thing. However keep this in mind...

I too tinker with the Commodore 64 computer and am active in keeping up to date with developments. There is VERY little in the way of hardware developments for the Commodore 64, and NONE that I would consider radical hardware improvements. 99% of developments are software. Software that still uses hardware that was originally available all those years ago. Opposite to the Amiga community, the majority of the users are very content to use what current hardware is available, and ENJOY THE COMPUTER FOR WHAT IT IS. They do not wish for alternate hardware and so on. Maybe, just MAYBE, there will be a time where the majority of the Amiga community will be content with what is available, in regards to what the majority of people know as the Amiga, and ENJOY it for what it is, instead of continually wishing for major changes to what we would consider an Amiga.

So, what will 2007 bring for the C64 scene, rather than the Amiga scene? Well, just have a look at the C64 sites and see what as happened in 2006. Then perhaps ask yourself is this an indication of the attitudes and directions a large group of people who are actually ENJOYING something from the past will continue with in 2007? Then compare this to the Amiga scene...

I personally enjoy keeping up to date with the C64 scene more than the Amiga scene.

"Are you keeping up with the Commodore. 'Cause the Commodore is keeping up with you."

This is by no means meant to be a judgment, just an passing observation...

[Astral]

Just a passing observation - flame me if you wish...

One thing I've noticed about a major part of the Amiga community, is the wish for something continually improving on the classic hardware and software, that compares favourably to other current hardware and software available. This in itself is not a bad thing. However keep this in mind...

I too tinker with the Commodore 64 computer and am active in keeping up to date with developments. There is VERY little in the way of hardware developments for the Commodore 64, and NONE that I would consider radical hardware improvements. 99% of developments are software. Software that still uses hardware that was originally available all those years ago. Opposite to the Amiga community, the majority of the users are very content to use what current hardware is available, and ENJOY THE COMPUTER FOR WHAT IT IS. They do not wish for alternate hardware and so on. Maybe, just MAYBE, there will be a time where the majority of the Amiga community will be content with what is available, in regards to what the majority of people know as the Amiga, and ENJOY it for what it is, instead of continually wishing for major changes to what we would consider an Amiga.

So, what will 2007 bring for the C64 scene, rather than the Amiga scene? Well, just have a look at the C64 sites and see what as happened in 2006. Then perhaps ask yourself is this an indication of the attitudes and directions a large group of people who are actually ENJOYING something from the past will continue with in 2007? Then compare this to the Amiga scene...

I personally enjoy keeping up to date with the C64 scene more than the Amiga scene.

"Are you keeping up with the Commodore. 'Cause the Commodore is keeping up with you."

This is by no means meant to be a judgment, just an passing observation...

[derringer3]

Amiga-C64: Amiga died that sate, when it is a semi modern computer. (Severelal expansion option, for example new CPU, HDD-s, Modern Graphical OS, Video Card etc.) C64 never reach this state.
So the most of the amiga fans had a view that his/her computer can be beat any PC in performance. This is slowly died somewhere in 2000-2001, when there is no new serious hardware for amiga. (For example a new cpu card which is running 1GHz or more, etc) But every amiga fan still looking for this, because it is possible...

AROS: Interesting toy, but I think I will never use it. If i use pc, I will use xp. Maybe than, when it has a tons of software.