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Amiga user returning !
« on: May 24, 2003, 11:12:58 PM »
Hello everyone,

in a few days i am going to have again an amiga in my house. A friend of collegue of mine has an A1200 with a hard drive and he is not using it for a long time (about 3 years now) and i am going to buy this one.
I haven't read amiga news about hardware since i sold before 8 years my A500 plus and i have some questions.

1. Can i install a cd-rom unit on the A1200 and if yes can someone give me some ideas ?

2. For the future i am thinking to put that A1200 inside a tower and i wonder for some thinks such us, how can i connect the power supply unit if i remove the motherboard  from the original keyboard-box and how can i connect an external keyboard (a pc one or even an A4000 one if it is easier).

3. If i put finnnaly the A1200 inside a tower can i use 2 ide devices with the onboard controller or this controller supports only one (the hard rive) ?

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2003, 11:17:59 PM »
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1. Can i install a cd-rom unit on the A1200 and if yes can someone give me some ideas ?
yes! of course you can
im not an 1200 user, but, one way would be to get a SCSI interface and attatch an external SCSI drive

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2. For the future i am thinking to put that A1200 inside a tower and i wonder for some thinks such us, how can i connect the power supply unit if i remove the motherboard from the original keyboard-box and how can i connect an external keyboard (a pc one or even an A4000 one if it is easier).

if you can find a 4000 keyboard, perhaps it would be easier just to start with a 4000
i hate the 1200 - and a towered one is even worse IMAO

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3. If i put finnnaly the A1200 inside a tower can i use 2 ide devices with the onboard controller or this controller supports only one (the hard rive) ?

i think you need an adaptor
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2003, 11:21:15 PM »
1) you can, for example ide-cable having two sockets, one for harddrive, one for cd-rom

2) Towers are a bit costy for A1200, but I recommend Ateo tower. I don't know if its on sale anymore, but the tower is great, and so is the keyboard adapter. Infinitiv suck smelly ass, dont go for the lego-towers.

3) see answer one

A1200 has 2.5" cable socket, so you need a correct type of ide-cable
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2003, 11:30:24 PM »
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I haven't read amiga news about hardware since i sold before 8 years my A500 plus and i have some questions.


Does it mean that you had no Amiga for 8 years? Wow, and now you come back?

Anyway, welcome back!
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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2003, 11:30:29 PM »
Thank you for your ansewrs.
I have one more question. Can't i use a standart pc tower and install the my A1200 motherboard inside with the floppy and the hard drive ?
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2003, 11:31:57 PM »
In a towered up A1200 the power usually comes from a standard AT power supply. Before i got my Mediator PCI board I had a cable which connected the PSU to the usual A1200 power input. You will need a keyboard adapter to connect a PC or A4000 keyboard to a towered A1200. Try http://www.eyetech.co.uk/

For your other two questions what you need is a 4-way IDE interface, which again you can get from Eyetech. This allows you to use up to 4 IDE devices (surprisingly :-) )

With a 4-way interface pretty much any IDE CD-ROM will work, and I believe Eyetech can supply you with one including software, but it would probably be cheaper to get one from a PC dealer and use a free CD filing system such as AmiCDFS from aminet.

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2003, 11:46:42 PM »
the 1200 is the worst excuse for a computer!
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2003, 11:50:55 PM »
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iamaboringperson wrote:
the 1200 is the worst excuse for a computer!


Whatever...
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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2003, 12:00:13 AM »
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the 1200 is the worst excuse for a computer!
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You are not speaking seriously of course!  The A1200 is a small A4000 and it can be upgraded to a PPC system so you can have your OS4 when it comes
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2003, 12:09:01 AM »
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iamaboringperson wrote:
the 1200 is the worst excuse for a computer!
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You are not speaking seriously of course!  The A1200 is a small A4000 and it can be upgraded to a PPC system so you can have your OS4 when it comes

yeah right! id prefer my A 4000 T any day!
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2003, 12:18:00 AM »
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scientist wrote:
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iamaboringperson wrote:
the 1200 is the worst excuse for a computer!
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You are not speaking seriously of course!  The A1200 is a small A4000 and it can be upgraded to a PPC system so you can have your OS4 when it comes

yeah right! id prefer my A 4000 T any day!


ok ok !!!!  :-)  i understand you, you are right and i think now you are speaking seriously
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2003, 12:22:47 AM »
So let me say it again .

If i want to install a cdrom i have to buy a card (from eyetech for example) that supports more than one IDE devices and install lets say AmiCDFS.
Are you sure that i cannot install an IDE cable with 2 positions for devices and install that device ?

and if i want to make my A1200 a tower one i need a keyboard adaptor for the external keyboard.
My question about the PSU is how can i connect a simple AT or ATX PSU on the amiga port for PSU because as i know the psu for the pc's have a totally different end from tha amiga input for PSU.
 

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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2003, 01:31:39 AM »
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So let me say it again .

If i want to install a cdrom i have to buy a card (from eyetech for example) that supports more than one IDE devices and install lets say AmiCDFS.
Are you sure that i cannot install an IDE cable with 2 positions for devices and install that device ?

and if i want to make my A1200 a tower one i need a keyboard adaptor for the external keyboard.
My question about the PSU is how can i connect a simple AT or ATX PSU on the amiga port for PSU because as i know the psu for the pc's have a totally different end from tha amiga input for PSU.


I don't own an A1200 myself, so, I maybe wrong, but...  It's my understanding that the A1200 supports upto two IDE devices out of the box.  The card from Eyetech allows you to support upto four IDE devices.

Yes, you'll need AmiCDFS (or some other CD filesystem, i.e. AsimCDFS (abandonned), CacheCDFS (abandonned), or AllegorCDFS (still alive?)) in order to read CD-ROM's your Amiga.

As for towering your Amiga, you can get kits from various Amiga vendors that include keyboard adapters, PSU conversions, and even PCI busboards.  The only problem is they're pretty expensive.  If you look on Aminet , you can also find some instructions for DIY conversions for 'PC' tower cases...  Of course this implies you'll have to purchase (or build) a keyboard adpater and PSU conversion.

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If you have questions about the tower conversions out there, here's some reference material, BBoAHW.  Keep in mind that some of these are no longer produced.

I'll also include any links to DIY tower conversions as I come accross them, like THESE
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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2003, 03:20:05 AM »
Welcome back there guy.

A few things, some A1200's can support 2 drives, but you get a good
chance of blowing the mobo.  I'd recommend Eyetech's adaptor, which'll
give you 4 drives.  Also, a standard PC tower hack can be done, but
that would be a major pain.  I'd recommend Elbox's towers myself.

I'd also recommend looking into a Phase5 BlizzardPPC card, so you can
migrate to one of the PowerPC'd AmigaOS replacements, such as MorphOS
or AmigaOS 4.0.  With the BlizzardPPC you can also upgrade the gfx to
a nice 3D chipset from 3Dlabs.

But hey, that's just me.
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Re: Amiga user returning !
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2003, 05:29:21 AM »
Hi,

@iamaboringperson ,

HaHaHa, How can you say the Amiga 4000 is a serious computer when it died 10 years ago. Break down an buy a clone computer and then see what real computing power is about.

@scientist

Ok lets go through this with the A1200 computer. I am using a pc power supply to power my A1200. To do this I cut off the power cord from my Amiga's power supply, then I checked the books to get the proper pins to so that I could hook up the pc power supply to the Amiga power cord and get the right voltages to the right inputs.  First problem solved.

Then I removed the board and put it in an Xerox word processing case that I bought from gov. surplus, this case was big enough to fit the power supply in and the A1200 motherboard. 2nd problem solved.

Then I took a look at the IDE interface on the A1200 the interface is actually a pc laptop interface which uses a smaller plug then a regular ide interface, this interface also has power connections for a 5 volt supply to power the ide harddrive from a laptop.  Contacted software hut and they had the proper ide plug for a crossover from a laptop drive to a regular 3 1/2 inch ide drive  3rd problem solved.

Now comes the biggest problem the damn keyboard which uses a flat ribbon cable to hook up in the A1200, this flat ribbon cable is about 4 to 5 inches long and runs from the keyboard to the Amiga 1200 motherboard. I believe if I remember right it had 32 wires in it, but don't take my word for it, it has been a long time. Now you can take out the old socket and solder in a 32 wire cable from mother board to a special socket connector attached to the computer case and then a special socket attached to 32 wires on the keyboard (female, male connector). This was my first solution that I tried and was a real pain. The second solution is to visit the Aminet boards and lookup some files that tell you how to make a 5 wire connector like the Amiga 3000 / 4000 and then hook up a Amiga 3000 / 4000 keyboard, This is the method I finally used on mine. You can also buy the connector from software hut, (if they still exist). 4th problem solved.

Now after I did done all the mentioned above my A1200 was equipped with a 603e 210 mhz ppc / 68040 / 40 mhz board  then upgraded to 64 megabyte of ram, a 10 gig harddrive and a 52 X cdrom drive, OS 3.5 and then OS 3.9, a zorro slot card for my Picasso II card and my GVP IV24 card all hooked up into an A1200  as Tim Allen would say Who Who Who this is a real mans computer.

Then about 3 years ago smoke poured out of the back and it all wound up in the trash and I went out and bought a pc clone and installed winuae on it.  5th problem solved.

Have fun compootin,
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