boot test

[stopthegop]

The 95 seconds for the dell to warm boot is including the time it took to shutdown. That part alone took almost 35 seconds.  

[jj]

well my amd64 3500+ (venice core), gig of ddr400 on a asus nforce 4 mobo, x850xt crossfire card etc etc

cold boots into  winxp64 in under 30 seconds, most of that is post

[adz]

stopthegop wrote:

Well, let me qualify that.  Windows needs to be rebooted frequently, and in a server environment, constantly.  

I manage a total of 16 Windows based servers and around 500 Windows based workstations (plus a few macs and *nix based servers) and I can assure you, what you have stated here is a gross overexageration. We get the odd workstation freeze and the servers get a reset every now and then for a security update, you cannot honesty tell me that the words frequently and consistantly apply to this scenario. Crap hardware, poor configuration and/or lackluster security are generally the cause of many Windows woes.

[Damion]

JJ wrote:
well my amd64 3500+ (venice core), gig of ddr400 on a asus nforce 4 mobo, x850xt crossfire card etc etc

cold boots into  winxp64 in under 30 seconds, most of that is post

Yeah, mine takes just a little over 30 seconds, and it's a dated Athlon XP with PATA.

I dunno... if Windows is "streamlined" a bit, my experience is that it shouldn't take that long to boot. Naturally, my old A1200 booted much faster (and my Pegasos was literally a few seconds), but AmigaOS isn't loading up a fraction of what Windows is at bootup. And ya know what... if your amiga is set to auto-run things during bootup that make it more usable (like TCP, commodities and various other things I can't remember ATM) it will take much longer than 10 seconds.

[Damion]

. Crap hardware, poor configuration and/or lackluster security are generally the cause of many Windows woes.

Cheers :pint:

[adz]

Oh and while I'm at it, let's take a quick look at the footprints of two base OS's shall we:

Windows XP: over 1GB

Amiga OS 3.1: under 10MB

The sheer size alone should be indicative of load times. Sure the Pentium had ooodles more raw processing power, but it also has a truckload more to load. A while back I installed Win98 on my Athlon XP 4000+, it loaded so fast I didn't even get a 98 splash screen, the machine had POSTed and loaded 98 in just over 10 seconds.

Additionally, in your case, you're running a Dell. More than likely, you're using the default install of XP that came with it, hardly a fully optimized environment to begin with. Dell, HP, etc. etc. bloat there machines to the hilt with crap, no matter what you do, you will never clean them up properly. The only option is to format and do a clean install of Windows from a retail CD. People who know me will testify that I'm not the biggest fan of Windows, however, I really grow tired of people bashing it with little or no insight into what they are actually saying.

Edit...One more thing, if you really hate Windows that much, put your money where your mouth is and do what I did, buy a mac, actually, buy several, as in my case.

[sir_inferno]

stopthegop wrote:
Software installed is WinDVD, Citrix client, MS Office 2K, and Windows itself.  

i don't like citrix...it's stupid...it adds an extra layer of rubbish onto an already full windows system

their remote desktop thing is already present in the form of (guess what) "Remote Desktop" on windows server 2003, and their thinclient service is already present in the form of windows xp embedded...tis stupid

[sir_inferno]

adz wrote:

stopthegop wrote:

Well, let me qualify that.  Windows needs to be rebooted frequently, and in a server environment, constantly.  

I manage a total of 16 Windows based servers and around 500 Windows based workstations (plus a few macs and *nix based servers) and I can assure you, what you have stated here is a gross overexageration. We get the odd workstation freeze and the servers get a reset every now and then for a security update, you cannot honesty tell me that the words frequently and consistantly apply to this scenario. Crap hardware, poor configuration and/or lackluster security are generally the cause of many Windows woes.

indeed. "standard operations" (office, internet explorer, game gear emulators) never (well almost) result in a crash. and if they do, then they're recoverable.

[koaftder]

Comparing boot times from an amiga to an xp pc is retarded in my oppinion. I don't use a PC like I use an Amiga.

My 1.4 GHz pentium D laptop with Xp boots in 75 seconds. This seems like a long time doesn't it? But I only have to boot this thing every 4 or 5 months. When i'm done using it I just shut the lid. With the lid shut, and unplugged from the wall, it floats for 4 days. When I want to use it again, I just open the lid, and its up and running in 2 seconds. Same thing with my powerbook.

My desktop PC stays up for months at a time. I just leave it on. You don't get to do this with an Amiga because you'll be resetting that sucker every single day.

[stopthegop]

Windows XP: over 1GB

Thank you for proving my point.  Most if not all of that one gigabyte is useless lard.  Thats the whole point.  We went to the moon on 64K, now we need a gig just to type a letter?  

the machine had POSTed and loaded 98 in just over 10 seconds.

And I've got beachfront property in Arizona for sale.  

Additionally, in your case, you're running a Dell

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China??  A peesea is a peesea.

More than likely

Never assume.

you're using the default install of XP that came with it

Actually I'm not.  I always trim as much fat as possible on my windoze installations.  Which is not easy because windoze itself is fat, which is the original point of the thread.  

Dell, HP, etc. etc. bloat there machines to the hilt with crap

Right.  Its called Microsoft Windows XP.  

no matter what you do, you will never clean them up properly

They "clean up" just fine with fdisk.  

The only option is to format and do a clean install of Windows from a retail CD.

Thats the only option??  

People who know me will testify that I'm not the biggest fan of Windows

You just play one on tv?  

I really grow tired of people bashing it with little or no insight into what they are actually saying

Moi?  I know full well what I am saying.  I first started using computers in 1980 on an Apple I, started programming them with an Atari 400 three years later. and have been working with computers professionally for the last twenty plus years.  By no means do I claim to know everything. but I think I have a little bit more than "No Insight into what I'm talking about".  

if you really hate Windows that much

I do.

put your money where your mouth is

I have.  Many times over.  

do what I did, buy a mac

I kept my Amigas and upgraded them to the hilt instead.  If I wanted a mother-in-law in a box, then I would buy a Mac.  

actually, buy several,

See above.  

[koaftder]

More useless ramblings from somebody who obviously doesn't have any experience developing software.

[stopthegop]

@koaftder

Nice point by point response there!  When did I claim to have experience "developing software?"  So programmers are the only ones who can be knowledgeable about computers?  Thats mighty pretentious  

[Fester]

Gravity resets my abacus in 1 second.

I am very interested in Amiga and the fast boot time is appealing. I'd like to continue to learn about Amiga...It would be nice to own a modern one some day.

Despite everything said about Misrocoft, the PC/Windows world has also given me plenty good times over the years.

I'm not concerned with my PC's boot time. The most worrysome for me on XP is licensing infringement and the threat of viruses. I cope.

All in all, I'm looking forward to dabble with OS4 if that ever becomes a reality. XP is good enough for my business needs. I'm not interested in Vista.

[Tomas]

Then again you only need to wait Windows boot up once, whereas Amiga keeps crashing frequently...

Only if you run buggy software  ;-)
Though in real life, the average amiga crashes more often thanks to the non existing memory protection. But it can be rock solid if you stick with a few apps that you know is pretty much bug free.

[Tomas]

Windows XP: over 1GB

But what features does it have that require such ridiculous amounts of ram? It seems to me like it aint coded to efficiently use ram. You can use a lightweight OS like AmigaOS for most of the same tasks as a Windows pc, so what is the benefit of it using so much more resources for doing the exact same task?
Windows is in my opinion bloatware...

 

Edit...One more thing, if you really hate Windows that much, put your money where your mouth is and do what I did, buy a mac, actually, buy several, as in my case.

OSX is pretty slow and resource hungry as well..
Though the real reason for me having a PC, is due to the fact that i like to play a game every now and then. I use linux whenever possible though..

[koaftder]

stopthegop wrote:
@koaftder

Nice point by point response there!  When did I claim to have experience "developing software?"  So programmers are the only ones who can be knowledgeable about computers?  Thats mighty pretentious  

You are not going to get a point by point response from me because your arguments do not warrant it.

You did infer to have some knowledge in software when you claimed that you could crash xp kernel by writing zeros from 00000000-0000FFFF in a userland process. You still have a check right here for $100 dollars if you'd like to demonstrate it.